Could you post the adjusted patches, I'd like to see where your
corrections are before I agree to change stuff that is already there.
best!
D.
Alexandre Porres wrote:
Hi D.
Yeah, DC Offset could be covered in what is digital Audio, or maybe
briefly mentioned. The thing is that it needs patches to explain and
show how adjusting the DC Offset works.
I know things must be kept as simple as possible, but not simpler than
that, because it could be misleading. I had that problem myself when
teaching with Floss Manuals, students had doubts why the square and
sawtooth oscilators were different, or "wrong".
The DC Offset is an extremely important parameter that should be a part
of the synthesizer section of Floss Manuals. It could also be a part of
the Amplitude Modulation Examples. Actually, changing DC Offset is all
it needs to change from an Amplitude Modulation to a Ring Modulation. So
having a DC Offset parameter there can explain the differences between
the two.
For instance, I find the osc7.pd example really misleading. At first, it
is supposed to be a Ring Modulation instead of an Amplitude Modulation,
since there is no DC offset in the modulator sigal. But, as the sawtooth
wave oscilator has a DC Offset (that shouldnt be tghere anyway, and it
is not even mentioned), it is actually an Amplitude modulation after
all, with the Remark that the Carrier signal has the role of the
Modulator signal, and Not the carrier signal itself. So, in any way
(either presenting it as a Ring Modulation or Amplitude Modulation)
corrections should be made.
So I dont see a way of not editing these patches, because it could be
even more confusing if we would write a disconected chapter that
complements and gives the tools to correct things that could have been
presented before.
I just don't see how simplicity here compensates the misleading way the
theory is presented.
The DC Offset is the main problem I see in Floss Manuals. And I actually
give my students an altered version of Floss Manuals to work with
because of that. I am developing a book of my own that complements well
with the Floss Manuals, but I still need to do make this Remark.
I could show my book, but it is in Portuguese only, so far...
by the way, we have people in Brazil who would like to collaborate and
translate this to portuguese.
I can send you a triangle wave oscilator right away.
cheers
alex
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Derek Holzer <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Actually, DC offset could be covered in "What is Digital Audio",
since it is a concept that needs explaining. Then, my suggestion
still is to include it after the basics of the Square Waves. I'd
like to keep the patches there as simple as possible, and since the
DC Offset can be done at the end, why not have it there?
Triangle wave would also be good. Write it first and we'll see where
exactly to put it.
D.
Alexandre Porres wrote:
sure, I could do both.
But I think it would be inportant to start just after
* AUDIO TUTORIALS
* SimpleSynthIntroduction
<http://en.flossmanuals.net/PureData/SimpleSynthIntroduction>
and before the oscilators with the Short DC offset chapter.
Then edit and correct the oscilator patches with values from -1 to 1
I also can create and put in the oscilator chapter a Triangle
wave oscilator made with phasor
what do you say?
Cheers
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Derek Holzer <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Alexandre,
Yes please, get on board!
In the case of the square wave chapter, I had assumed that
doing it
with digital logic would result in either 0 (no amplitude) or 1
(full amplitude). So there shouldn't be any DC offset when
it's at
0. Of course, there are some other real-world problems with those
patches, namely that there is also no antialiasing.
Since the FLOSS Manuals are "modular", they can be remixed as
needed
for any kind of workshop, class or curriculum, including or
leaving
out sections from all the different FLOSS Manuals as needed.
So my suggestion to you would be to write a short chapter on DC
offset which can then be referred to in the square wave
tutorial, or
in any other tutorial or manual where such a situation might
arise.
Likewise, I'd love it if someone could do a single chapter on the
different antialiasing methods (Miller's, Frank's...). The idea
would be to simplify the explanations so that one doesn't need a
background in DSP or computer science in order to understand
them.
Would you be interested to do either of those?
D.
Alexandre Porres wrote:
Hi, I am really interested in helping!
I actually have some stuff I wanted to "corrrect", or
bring some
attention to, like the DC OFFSET. You dont cover it, and when
you show how to get a Square Wave, the DC Offset is not
properly
adjusted.
thanks
cheers
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Derek Holzer
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote:
Hey Alexandre,
I just posted the announcement of the Pd FLOSS Manuals
Book
Sprint:
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-03/069107.html
I was wondering if you'd be interested to help out next
weekend? It
shouldn't be a problem to contribute remotely, and it
would
really help
build up the momentum to finish this manual.
Have a look over the topics and see if there is anything
you'd like to
cover and let me know.
Best!
Derek
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