________________________________ From: patko <[email protected]> To: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> Cc: pd-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 10:33:59 AM Subject: Re: [PD] plugin~ external >----- "Jonathan Wilkes" <[email protected]> a écrit : > > >> There are "naughty" pieces by Mozart that have survived the ages, >> regardless of past Mozart scholars who >> have excluded them from their catalogues of the "complete" works of >> Mozart. It may have been ignored for a >> bit, but the cult of genius generally trumps the opportunistic desire >> to destroy art. >> > >We know Mozart because he has his pretty face on candy boxes, like F.Z. used >to joke. Who is F.Z.? What you're saying is nonsense-- I know who C.P.E. Bach is, and there are no chocolates that bear his name. And I wouldn't talk about his music any differently or play it less if someone commercialized his persona. >> Anyway, your point that "it's not art anymore, art IS killed" is >> clearly false. Imagine a tyrant who declares that >> the only suitable music is a) by Beethoven and b) in C minor. It's >> certainly a travesty that anything >> by Haydn or David Bowie would be banned, as well as Beethoven's 6th >> Symphony, but it surely remains a fact >> that Beethoven's 5th is still a great symphony, regardless of the >> tyrant's endorsement. >> >> There are plenty of pieces of music that sell very well in times of >> nationalist fervor, or in general. But it's sheer >> confusion to say that these pieces _aren't_ art for that reason. >> That's misdirected anger; the real problem is >> that other pieces are excluded because they either don't fit easily >> into a category, or they present an alternative >> viewpoint that sits uncomfortably with general opinion (i.e., >> dissident music). >> >> -Jonathan > >The problem is really actual, because it's related with this post-industrial >period, >where almost anything could falsified, or duplicated, where the main concept >is about brain eating with a perpetual flow of those (duplicated&falsified) >informations through almost all media, also used by "dissident people", >who actually would be represented by rappers, or DJ's. I don't know why all rappers/DJs would be dissidents. I mean dissidents in a more specific sense-- people whose music is excluded from discourse because of political/commercial/cultural pressure. Say, Rage Against the Machine after 9-11, when Clear Channel stopped playing their music, as well as any other artists who were considered anti-establishment (there's probably a list somewhere on the web of these artists). > >Here we have a kind of example of the musical continuity imaginated by E. >Varese >where the musicians are removed to give the auditor always the same product. > >It's just a matter of time for anything individually created to be completely >removed >from the mainstream, and replaced by a logo, a lobby, a brain firmware. That's a sweeping statement. What does is mean? Are all the Mozart scores in the IMSLP going to be replaced by logos? Btw- logos are typically created individually by a graphic artist taking direction from people who generally know very little about how to make a logo. Probably not so different from the people who paid Mozart to write a divertimento. :) -Jonathan
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