F.Z.? Could it be Zappa? He joked with almost everything :D On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > ------------------------------ > *From:* patko <[email protected]> > *To:* Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> > > *Cc:* pd-list <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sun, June 13, 2010 10:33:59 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [PD] plugin~ external > > > >----- "Jonathan Wilkes" <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > > > >> There are "naughty" pieces by Mozart that have survived the ages, > >> regardless of past Mozart scholars who > >> have excluded them from their catalogues of the "complete" works of > >> Mozart. It may have been ignored for a > >> bit, but the cult of genius generally trumps the opportunistic desire > >> to destroy art. > >> > > > >We know Mozart because he has his pretty face on candy boxes, like F.Z. > used to joke. > > Who is F.Z.? > > What you're saying is nonsense-- I know who C.P.E. Bach is, and there are > no > chocolates that bear his name. And I wouldn't talk about his music any > differently or > play it less if someone commercialized his persona. > > > >> Anyway, your point that "it's not art anymore, art IS killed" is > >> clearly false. Imagine a tyrant who declares that > >> the only suitable music is a) by Beethoven and b) in C minor. It's > >> certainly a travesty that anything > >> by Haydn or David Bowie would be banned, as well as Beethoven's 6th > >> Symphony, but it surely remains a fact > >> that Beethoven's 5th is still a great symphony, regardless of the > >> tyrant's endorsement. > >> > >> There are plenty of pieces of music that sell very well in times of > >> nationalist fervor, or in general. But it's sheer > >> confusion to say that these pieces _aren't_ art for that reason. > >> That's misdirected anger; the real problem is > >> that other pieces are excluded because they either don't fit easily > >> into a category, or they present an alternative > >> viewpoint that sits uncomfortably with general opinion (i.e., > >> dissident music). > >> > >> -Jonathan > > > >The problem is really actual, because it's related with this > post-industrial period, > >where almost anything could falsified, or duplicated, where the main > concept > >is about brain eating with a perpetual flow of those > (duplicated&falsified) > >informations through almost all media, also used by "dissident people", > >who actually would be represented by rappers, or DJ's. > > I don't know why all rappers/DJs would be dissidents. I mean dissidents in > a more > specific sense-- people whose music is excluded from discourse because of > political/commercial/cultural pressure. Say, Rage Against the Machine > after 9-11, > when Clear Channel stopped playing their music, as well as any other > artists who > were considered anti-establishment (there's probably a list somewhere on > the web > of these artists). > > > > > >Here we have a kind of example of the musical continuity imaginated by E. > Varese > >where the musicians are removed to give the auditor always the same > product. > > > >It's just a matter of time for anything individually created to be > completely removed > >from the mainstream, and replaced by a logo, a lobby, a brain firmware. > > That's a sweeping statement. What does is mean? Are all the Mozart scores > in the > IMSLP going to be replaced by logos? > > Btw- logos are typically created individually by a graphic artist taking > direction from > people who generally know very little about how to make a logo. Probably > not so > different from the people who paid Mozart to write a divertimento. :) > > -Jonathan > > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > -- Pedro Lopes contacto: [email protected] website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
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