You will get poor results using anything less than 8.5. There are
serious bugs in the 8.4 branch, especially with font handling on GNU/
Linux. If you are on a Debian system, you can do:
apt-get install tcl8.5 tk8.5
update-alternatives wish
Then choose wish8.5. Pd 0.42 should be fine with 8.5.
.hc
On Aug 25, 2010, at 5:50 PM, cyrille henry wrote:
8.4.19
c
Le 25/08/2010 22:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Which wish are you using?
$ wish
% info patchlevel
8.5.8
.hc
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 22:30 +0200, cyrille henry wrote:
hello,
withubuntu 10.04
pd -noprefs
-> the message box are higher than the text
pd -noprefs -font-face "andale mono" solve the problem
so, andale mono is here, but not used...
here is the result of your script.
linespace ascent descent font name
---------------------------------------------------------------
13 11 2 msbm10
13 11 2 webdings
13 11 2 fixed
18 15 3 lucidatypewriter
19 14 5 courier 10 pitch
13 11 2 cmsy10
21 17 4 andale mono
14 11 3 clean
17 13 4 terminal
16 14 2 gothic
13 11 2 cmr10
13 11 2 wenquanyi zenhei
16 14 2 song ti
37 15 22 open look cursor
13 11 2 cmex10
16 14 2 mincho
13 11 2 msam10
18 14 4 courier
13 11 2 inconsolata
16 16 0 nil
13 11 2 cmmi10
16 14 2 fangsong ti
20 16 4 dotum
28 17 11 courier new
18 14 4 nimbus mono l
20 16 4 batang
13 11 2 wasy10
Cyrille
Le 25/08/2010 21:39, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
I figured out the cause. The problem is caused by the font used
being
different than the font that fits into the standardized boxes.
If you
have the margin problem or the offset clicking problem then your
Tcl/Tk
is not used "DejaVu Sans Mono" or "Andale Mono", the two fonts I
have
found that fit into the standard box size.
Other fonts have different ratios of height to width, and when Pd
uses a
different font, it tries to size it larger to fit the DejaVu Sans
Mono.
Also Tcl/Tk 8.4 does a bad job of font handling on GNU/Linux/
X11. 8.5
is better but different than 8.4.
The DejaVu fonts are the standard fonts for GNOME and are
included in
all major distros, so those seem the natural font to standardize
on.
Also, DejaVu Sans Mono looks pretty good.
To get an idea, run the attached script with your wish. It would
be
quite useful if people would post the results of that script here
so we
can see what fonts are commonly available.
.hc
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:49 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
By 'margin' I meant that 'the box is larger than the text inside
it so there's
a bunch of empty space inside it'... if you don't see that you
won't have the
problem I'm having :)
M
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 02:45:12PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:
Ok, testing now... as for having the boxes with a standardized
size,
that's been the case with Pd-extended 0.40 and is also the case
with
0.43 as of now. I'm not sure if I understand your idea about
the margin
tho, but an outline in edit mode sounds like a good idea.
.hc
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:09 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
Sure... here:
#N canvas 359 131 405 427 10;
#X msg 98 55 \; line 1 \; line 2 \; line 3 \; line 4 \; line 5
\; line
6 \; line 7 \; line 8 \; line 9 \; line 10 \; line 11 \; line
12 \;
line 13 \; line 14 \; line 15 \; line 16 \; line 17 \; line 18
\; line
19 \; line 20;
On my machine the text box is several (20?) pixels too tall
and to select
the bottom line of text you have to click way below it.
I don't see how the thing can be made truly cross-platform
unless there's
a way to get text to have a determined size (both vertical and
horizontal)
and that seems to be impossible to get to work cross-platform.
The only solution I can think of for getting boxes to have
consistent sizes is
to use Mathieu's suggestion and make the box have a
standardized size, simply
adding margin when the text font doesn't actually fill it.
(There's have to
be an outline drawn around comments when the patch is unlocked
too.)
cheers
Miller
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:15:11PM -0400, Hans-Christoph
Steiner wrote:
I think the real solution to this would be one step deeper.
If Pd
used Tcl to handle the GUI interaction, then we could use the
Tk
scaling feature, which is what Tk does to handle cross-platform
differences in font rendering. Pd could then store the Tk
scaling
number in the patch, and use it to scale internal copies of
pixel
values, when necessary. Then we could have the best of both
worlds.
This would also give us the ability to zoom/scale patches for
free.
This is not as hard as it might seem, I believe DesireData
has this
working. I think this would also be quite clean and actually
simplify Pd's code rather than adding more complexity by
tracking
both when fonts should fit to the box size and when the box
size
should fit to the font.
I'll take a look at the big text block clicking issue now.
Do you
have an example patch?
.hc
On Aug 24, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Long as there's a way to fix a problem I'm having: in message
boxes with
many lines of text, you can easily click on one character and
select one above
it... it gets very confusing. (Fedora 13 out-of-box).
I'm guessing that in the current version the GUI simply
tells Pd
what size
the font ought to have had instead of the genuine one. Pd
could
easily
expand the box to the ought-to size (at least optionally for
those
wishing
to make cross-platform patches) but should know about the
text's
actual size
anyway. To be continued...
cheers
Miller
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 01:21:08AM -0400, Hans-Christoph
Steiner
wrote:
On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 01:39:08PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard
wrote:
BTW I've been using Pd-Extended's Linux/OSX default font
size as the
basis for all my patches for making my last 400 patches
or so.
I've used Pd vanilla for all my patches so far, with a "10"
font-size,
whatever that is in pixels. I know, that Pd-extended uses
some
different
layout for several years now, which makes patches look wrong
when you
load them in Pd vanilla and the other way around. I have
not much
interest to discuss the differences between vanilla and Pd-
x,
as I am
hoping the two to unify again with the gui-rewrite. So I'm
willing to
change my preferences to whatever will be the new vanilla,
but I'd
prefer to not do again that with every release or with
every new
Courier-like font that pops up on the Internets' Top 10
console font
lists and is so much better than the previous ones.
Unless Miller changes it in the future, Pd 0.43 should have
the same
boxes sizes that Pd-extended has had for a couple
versions. That
was one of my goals with the GUI rewrite. Its a bug if
that's not
the case.
.hc
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