Well, let me be more clear. The last thing I wanted to be is offensive. >you advocate to stop maintaining Pd for windows
No I don't. I said clearly: "So, my opinion is to just be more consentrated on Mac/GNU-Linux support." . Because, I think more people participating in Pd are in a different OS from windows. >By the way, I don't use IE7, I use Opera for 10 years now (which I configured to acess my accounts >and mails from both windows and ubuntu). I see you more... agreeing with me for how people should treat the Win OS (and MacOS of course) than you think. >And curiously, at the same time you said GNU-Linux is so great, you moved out of it to Mac - >where you have to pay double the amount for the hardware, and the >manufacturer even goes to the trouble of making sure every laptop model has a different electricity >cable, so that you have to spend more money you case you loose it. >...At least I don't call mac users a bunch of preformatted hipsters who stand for hours in line to be the >first to buy whatever crap Jobs launches on the market. Is this "let the battle begin" kind of paragraph? I allready told that I UNFORTUNATELY moved to Mac because of it's support for audio producing and left the "strictly GNU-linux user" side of me. Everyone has his reasons using the OS he has installed, eventually. >I have a facebook account, which I use to see how other people are doing - including some of the most advanced pd users present on this list, they post more on it than I do. Then you should add me. Nothing against Facebook using, I'm against Farmville-like invitations. http://tinyurl.com/2v8fhps On 18 September 2010 01:30, João Pais <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, I' m not a PD advanced user but here is my story: >> I think the dilemma is "Do we need more users for PD (and make it work >> perfectly in Windows too) or we need to aim the PD development for Linux/ >> Mac users (and don't waste our "limited resources")?" >> >> *Well , I have seen on youtube etc people using windows and they are >> experts >> of PureData* but how many are they really? >> One of the reasons I chose to run GNU-Linux on my previous setup (besides >> the xp partition) are things you can have in it. And yes, PD was one of my >> major reasons! I unfortunately had then to buy a Mac because of the >> support >> of audio applications generally. >> >> Ok , most of people using a computer have Windows on their setup and in >> countries like Greece ... you have to even use it in your university. >> BUT: Do really people care about programs like PD or the >> ideology/democratic >> openess behind GNU-Linux when they use windows? Most of us had the first >> choice for our system of windows and we MOVED when we saw what we can and >> we >> cannot do in it. >> >> So, my opinion is to just be more consentrated on Mac/GNU-Linux support. >> There are not too many people who will really have the interest to learn >> Pd >> in depth and then browsing with IE7 their Facebook accounts. >> >> I honestly don't want to make Pd/Win users feel stupid. >> > > No, but you just said something like "pd is too valuable for windows, these > guys can't appreciate the beauty of it, and they just want to be fed > whatever the big bo$$ puts in their mouths", and advocate to stop > maintaining Pd for windows. And curiously, at the same time you said > GNU-Linux is so great, you moved out of it to Mac - where you have to pay > double the amount for the hardware, and the manufacturer even goes to the > trouble of making sure every laptop model has a different electricity cable, > so that you have to spend more money you case you loose it. And you're > worried about people not following ideology? > > I'm a windows user, I don't know if I'm an "advanced pd user" (or what that > is), but I've been using pd only for several years, have done my > contributions to pd-ext (extra/jmmmp and donations in $), have patches for > people to download if they want to, taken and given Pd workshops, was > present in the Floss session, have worked on documentation, and partly > organise the pd berlin users meeting. So, I don't appreciate when people > judge windows users as idiots which don't know better, because I am one. At > least I don't call mac users a bunch of preformatted hipsters who stand for > hours in line to be the first to buy whatever crap Jobs launches on the > market. > > By the way, I don't use IE7, I use Opera for 10 years now (which I > configured to acess my accounts and mails from both windows and ubuntu). I > have a facebook account, which I use to see how other people are doing - > including some of the most advanced pd users present on this list, they post > more on it than I do. > > If you want to advocate segregation go ahead, but be honest about it. After > all you use unix, you have the moral advantage (or you like to say you do). > > João Pais >
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