BTW I think the use of free software on Windows can be only *moderately* encouraged. Just to give a taste, but the main development focus should be on a free operating system.
2010/9/18 Bernardo Barros <[email protected]>: > What's the point of advocating a proprietary operating system that > does not even have good quality software? > > Other think is: do not talk about price when you talk about free > software.... That's losing the point. I think free software should be > of very good quality and people should be encouraged to pay for it if > they make money of of it, or if they can contribute with something. > > 2010/9/17 João Pais <[email protected]>: >>> Hi, I' m not a PD advanced user but here is my story: >>> I think the dilemma is "Do we need more users for PD (and make it work >>> perfectly in Windows too) or we need to aim the PD development for Linux/ >>> Mac users (and don't waste our "limited resources")?" >>> >>> *Well , I have seen on youtube etc people using windows and they are >>> experts >>> of PureData* but how many are they really? >>> One of the reasons I chose to run GNU-Linux on my previous setup (besides >>> the xp partition) are things you can have in it. And yes, PD was one of my >>> major reasons! I unfortunately had then to buy a Mac because of the >>> support >>> of audio applications generally. >>> >>> Ok , most of people using a computer have Windows on their setup and in >>> countries like Greece ... you have to even use it in your university. >>> BUT: Do really people care about programs like PD or the >>> ideology/democratic >>> openess behind GNU-Linux when they use windows? Most of us had the first >>> choice for our system of windows and we MOVED when we saw what we can and >>> we >>> cannot do in it. >>> >>> So, my opinion is to just be more consentrated on Mac/GNU-Linux support. >>> There are not too many people who will really have the interest to learn >>> Pd >>> in depth and then browsing with IE7 their Facebook accounts. >>> >>> I honestly don't want to make Pd/Win users feel stupid. >> >> No, but you just said something like "pd is too valuable for windows, these >> guys can't appreciate the beauty of it, and they just want to be fed >> whatever the big bo$$ puts in their mouths", and advocate to stop >> maintaining Pd for windows. And curiously, at the same time you said >> GNU-Linux is so great, you moved out of it to Mac - where you have to pay >> double the amount for the hardware, and the manufacturer even goes to the >> trouble of making sure every laptop model has a different electricity cable, >> so that you have to spend more money you case you loose it. And you're >> worried about people not following ideology? >> >> I'm a windows user, I don't know if I'm an "advanced pd user" (or what that >> is), but I've been using pd only for several years, have done my >> contributions to pd-ext (extra/jmmmp and donations in $), have patches for >> people to download if they want to, taken and given Pd workshops, was >> present in the Floss session, have worked on documentation, and partly >> organise the pd berlin users meeting. So, I don't appreciate when people >> judge windows users as idiots which don't know better, because I am one. At >> least I don't call mac users a bunch of preformatted hipsters who stand for >> hours in line to be the first to buy whatever crap Jobs launches on the >> market. >> >> By the way, I don't use IE7, I use Opera for 10 years now (which I >> configured to acess my accounts and mails from both windows and ubuntu). I >> have a facebook account, which I use to see how other people are doing - >> including some of the most advanced pd users present on this list, they post >> more on it than I do. >> >> If you want to advocate segregation go ahead, but be honest about it. After >> all you use unix, you have the moral advantage (or you like to say you do). >> >> João Pais >> >> _______________________________________________ >> [email protected] mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
