Dan
i will gladly do testflight to try this
i spent 12 hours making the ARP and i really want to test it at a show coming up

let me know what to do and i'l testfly for you!

patrick
________________________________________
From: Daniel Iglesia [[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:17 PM
To: Pagano, Patrick
Cc: Scott R. Looney; pd-list
Subject: Re: [PD] MobMuPlat for Ipad and expr~ woes

I've actually just already gotten expr and expr~ working in my xcode project 
(easier than anticipated).
I'm working on other elements of the next update over the next few days, so if 
you can wait about a week or two for the apple approval process to finish, then 
the next update should work for you. (If you use testflight, contact me 
off-list, and you can try my current build sooner than that)

dan

On Mar 18, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:

>
> i have xcode and a fully mobmuplatted Arp Odyssey emulator i want to use. Is 
> someone willing to hold my hand on this?
> I will start posting the expressions if not., but i really would love to have 
> this thing working!
>
> Dan~ thanks for MobMuplat, it's quite fun and made me go purchase a ipad4, so 
> i blame you for all this :-)
>
> pp
>
> ___________________________________
> From: Daniel Iglesia [[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:52 PM
> To: Pagano, Patrick
> Cc: Scott R. Looney; pd-list
> Subject: Re: [PD] MobMuPlat for Ipad and expr~ woes
>
> (in addition to that last link, I meant plus of course Peter Brinkmann's 
> straightforward description here
> https://github.com/libpd/pd-for-ios/wiki/ios
> )
>
> On Mar 18, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Daniel Iglesia wrote:
>
>> yes, technically it can be built for, and included with, MobMuPlat, since it 
>> comes with libpd, but needs to be built in xcode with all the other code for 
>> the MMP binary. I don't believe compiling the pd vanilla makefile for OSX or 
>> other platforms will get you anything. But my knowledge of these things is 
>> sketchy.
>>
>> https://github.com/libpd/libpd/blob/master/pure-data/extra/expr~/LICENSE.txt
>>
>> the version of expr~ and expr with libpd seems to have the LGPL (instead of 
>> the regular GPL), which should be compatible with BSD. So I will make an 
>> attempt to include them the next MMP update.
>>
>> (this is my primary reference for doing so
>> http://createdigitalnoise.com/discussion/302/using-expr-in-libpd/p1
>> and so if anyone else has an easy solution for including expr, etc, in a 
>> xcode build of a libpd project, please advise!)
>>
>> (The open source release will have all of libpd's code+objects included with 
>> it, and so then it also would be straightforward for someone with greater 
>> knowledge than I ( and who has xcode and a developer's license) to enable 
>> and build those objects...although the reason I made MMP is so that people 
>> don't need to have those two things!)
>>
>> Best, Dan
>>
>> ===
>> www.danieliglesia.com
>> www.iglesiaintermedia.com
>>
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Dan said this on that list::
>>>
>>> ""No, there is no, and probably wil be no libpd-extended. It's up to you to 
>>> include and build external source code.
>>>
>>> Yes, expr~ is in. The license is BSD now. As for other things, try rjlib 
>>> which aims to recreate many things currently in externals in pd-extended: 
>>> https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib
>>>
>>> This is not a limitation as it's actually easier to do somethings directly 
>>> in C/C++, etc""
>>>
>>> is there a way to build expr~ for MobMuPLat and use it then?
>>> that is the only object i seem to need, there is sources and a makefile 
>>> included in the PdVanilla for MMplat
>>>
>>> colleagues please advise.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> pp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Scott R. 
>>> Looney [[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:34 PM
>>> To: Daniel Iglesia
>>> Cc: pd-list
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] MobMuPlat for Ipad and expr~ woes
>>>
>>> peter brinkmann is the guy who who would know best, but i seem to remember 
>>> pretty clearly that he stated somewhere [expr] and [expr~] were ok to use 
>>> with libPD on the AppStore. in other words (i assume) they had been 
>>> recompiled from source in a more compatible license.
>>>
>>> here's the bit that clearly states that the vanilla version of PD does not 
>>> have the right version of [expr] and [expr~] this is older news from about 
>>> 2011 i think:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/libpd/libpd/wiki/misc
>>>
>>> and here's the bit where they mention [expr] and [expr~] are now under 
>>> LGPL, but it doesn't appear to solve the issue definitively:
>>>
>>> http://createdigitalnoise.com/discussion/1341/can-i-use-pd-extended-with-libpd/p1
>>>
>>> the total solution if you want that specific functionality (that i am aware 
>>> of) is to recompile [expr] and [expr~]  from source and put it under a BSD 
>>> or MIT license.
>>>
>>> the alternative is to redo that functionality with simple vanilla objects. 
>>> there's a nice thread her on the PD forum about it:
>>>
>>> http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-6980-way-rewrite-expr
>>>
>>> hope this helps somewhat,
>>>
>>> best,
>>> scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Daniel Iglesia <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, (first time poster!)
>>>
>>> expr and expr~ can't be in a closed-source binary. (the libpd doc has some 
>>> discussion of this I believe). Once I release MobMuPlat open source, I was 
>>> hoping to include them in the binary+source at that point. However, I have 
>>> to check the licensing issues to see if even that is allowed, as MobMuPlat 
>>> is and will be under the BSD license. (if people are well versed in this 
>>> issue, please feel free to chime in.)
>>>
>>> If they can't be included, then removing them from the pd-vanilla flavor in 
>>> the distribution is probably a good idea, will do that.
>>>
>>> Best, Dan
>>>
>>> ===
>>> www.danieliglesia.com
>>> www.iglesiaintermedia.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Patrick Pagano wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's one of 20 expr~s that i need :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 03/18/2013 11:01 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 13:52 +0000, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
>>>>>> damnit.
>>>>>> Any idea when that might be or a workaround?
>>>>>> silent weeping
>>>>>
>>>>>> expr if($f1-$f2==0, 0, 1)
>>>>>
>>>>> [!= ]  ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Roman
>>>>>
>>>>>
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