On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: > > On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:07 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> From: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Building externals on OSX >> Date: October 22, 2013 1:14:41 PM EDT >> To: [email protected] >> >> On 10/21/2013 09:38 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: >>> Errr. That's not so easy. You need the 10.5 SDK which you can only get with >>> a *really* old version of Xcode which you probably can't install on >>> anything newer than OSX 10.6. It's possible to put older SDK's themselves >>> into the "right place" but, for something as old as the 10.5 SDK, it may >>> not even work anymore. The only reliabel way to use an old machine with >>> 10.5 or 10.6 and an old version of Xcode, probably Xcode 3.something. >>> >>> IMHO, at this point, it's best to drop support for PPC for new versions of >>> pd. The *vast vast vast* majority of OSX users have moved on at this point. >> >> Just to make sure I understand: if someone has an old PPC Mac, they cannot >> run stuff compiled for i386 or x86_64. There is no compatibility-mode or >> anything >> they can use to run the software. Is this correct? > > Yes. It's a different instruction set and Rosetta, the PCC compatibility > layer, won't run an OSX 10.7+. > >> Also, do you have any references for the claim that the vast majority of OSX >> users have moved away from PPC? > > http://update.omnigroup.com/ (Hardware / CPU type): Intel 97.8% PPC 2.2% > > https://www.adium.im/sparkle/ (CPU type): Intel 97.83% PPC 2.71% > >> I find Jobs' claim that Apple doesn't ship >> junk to generally be true, and combined with their development model the >> unfortunate result would seem to be that poor people still using their once >> sleek and sexy devices are ignored along with their now ugly, unprofitable >> devices. > > Well, those "sleek and sexy" PPC devices were last made & sold in 2005, so > it's not a surprise the vast majority of people using OSX have Intel machines > mainly because software developers (& the OS) have moved on to 32 bit and now > 64 bit intel years ago. > > Your political bias notwithstanding (I say use what works for you), I have a > 4 year old Apple laptop that still does everything I need with the latest > version of OSX and I plan to upgrade to OSX Mavericks when it comes out. > That's pretty good, as I had a job when I bought it and I am currently an > unemployed artist working on his thesis right now, so it's good this "sleek > and sexy device" is not yet an "ugly, unprofitable" one. As with anything, > not everyone buys the newest one every iteration and I can say, without any > hardware issues whatsoever so far, I got what I paid for. > > In any case, I've long thought of helping with the OSX compatibility for Pd > (updating GEM to Cocoa/64 bit for instance) but I honestly don't have the > time or support right now. Maybe next spring I can do a "reverse kickstarter"? >
Pd could definitely use help on Mac OS X. Especially since I've switched to Linux Mint as my desktop OS. .hc
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