Great. Thanks Jonathan! Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 18:30, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list < [email protected]> escreveu:
> > I did not attack me so... Rename in there have some implication? If no, > I will start to rename... > > Please don't rename them. Inlets and outlets are numbered starting from > zero, both in Pd's file format and in dynamic patching: > > [connect 0 0 1 0( > | > [send this] > > [namecanvas this] > > This makes a connection from the left-most outlet of the first object > created > to the left-most inlet of the second object created. Both the object > index and > xlet index start from zero. > > Garrays are zero-indexed as well. > > So changing the help patches won't make Pd any more consistent in this > regard. In fact it would make it less consistent because you'd have two > versions of the help patches in the wild. (And messages to this list show > that people are still downloading and using Pd-extended long after it's > been abandoned.) > > Short story-- I'm all for improving documentation, all for consistency, > and all for making anything more accessible and friendly to users. But > these proposed > changes don't achieve those goals. > > -Jonathan > > > > > On Thursday, March 17, 2016 2:18 PM, Frank Barknecht <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 12:26:07PM -0400, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > intuitiveness, aliens, whatever. Another consideration within the pd* > > ecosystem is that it is 0-centric, meaning things tend to start with $0 > > (patch instance) before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers to the > first > > arg, so you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc. etc. etc. > > I always assumed Pd to be rather 1-centric and not 0-centric: There > is no $0 for message boxes, and where abstraction arguments are concerned, > $0 > (patch instance) in use is really something entirely different from $1...$n > (arguments to an instance given by user). > > Also many (most?) command line arguments like -audiodev refer to the first > item > in a list with 1 instead of 0, leading to an interesting confustion when > they > have meet with the 0-centric outside world like ALSA's device numbering. > > So Pd in my view is more similar to Lua, where numbering generally starts > at 1 > (which actually works well, once you get used to it). > > But in the end, it's > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ > > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >
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