As an alternative idea, perhaps one of the early pd tutorials (e.g.
introduction) could simply elaborate how the inlets are numbered which
could be a considerably easier solution.
If you are determined to update all the docs to reflect this change,
don't forget the PD_META which currently requires the use of 0 as the
first inlet. Updating tooltips will also require changes accommodate for
this alteration.
Best,
Ico
On 3/17/2016 1:13 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges of naming things
in order to eliminate future confusion.
Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see and
understand for help patch user. Is really necessary expose a new user
to this problematics?
I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer (at least
initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps), thinking this I
understand the principal goal of the user is to make thinks work, and
to use the send a message to this object he needs do use $1 $2 $3, if
he use $0 pd will do other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0
require one more step for who are learning many more steps... (please
correct me if I'm wrong with regard to the behavior pd)
Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing.. Rename
inlets and outlets I can make like meditation! :P
I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other libraries and
have change something like this have consequences. But anyway, if
needed I can modify some more patches. :) Only it will have some time.
Cheers
Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> escreveu:
Here's my $0-cents worth. This is an eternal struggle in the
world'o'comp sci. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0
is the 1st number in any kind of data container, whether it be
value or ordinal position. Yet, as humans we prefer 1 to be that
first number, reserving 0 as the special case value. So, you could
make the case either way arguing for consistency, intuitiveness,
aliens, whatever. Another consideration within the pd* ecosystem
is that it is 0-centric, meaning things tend to start with $0
(patch instance) before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers to
the first arg, so you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc.
etc. etc.
On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going through
every last help file and ensuring it has been updated accordingly,
otherwise you would be just adding to more confusion as newcomers
learn that some help files refer to the first inlet as 0 and
others as 1...
On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hi,
I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on revision of
some Help patches.
The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from zero if Pd
user have to call inlets and outlets from $1 $2 $3... ? For help
patch user don't be more convenient enumerate inlets and outlets
starting at number 1?
Cheers
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