hi,

on mac os 10.14.6 and pd 51-0 i don´t see scrollbars in any your examples 
(i don´t have the propertybang installed, so your last case doesn´t apply)

am i missing sth?

best
hans

> Am 05.06.2020 um 01:40 schrieb oliver <[email protected]>:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> i just discovered a really strange phenomenon when opening patch windows with 
> remote messages
> 
> Attached is a test patch that presents the "problem":
> 
> The window is always opening with active scroll sidebars, even though there's 
> nothing to scroll.
> 
> The only exception is, when the "relocate" message mechanism is done "by 
> hand". Messages that are sent remotely or with a delay produce the scrollbars.
> 
> It really seems that the visual representation of a clicked BANG or a 
> [message box( comes into play here, though i don't understand how or why.
> 
> It seems as if only as long as the window messages are passed WITHIN the 
> "visual representation time" (in lack of a better description ... i mean the 
> short thickening of the border of a message box when it is clicked with the 
> mouse) the window is opening as it should (without sidebars).
> 
> I discovered this phenomenon using the [propertybang] external from IEMGUTS, 
> where the window would only open with said sidebars.
> 
> To make matters worse, this behaviour is not consistent, but seems a little 
> random. What's sure though, is that only a direct mouseclick onto a bang or 
> message box reliably opens the window without sidebars.
> 
> Feels a little voodoo-ish to me ...
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Oliver
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