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The original Skia, which I have in my archives, is dated 1993. The version of Skia contained in OS X is dated 2002. Since the Mac OS now supports the generation of PDFs, it would make sense that the system fonts would embed. I didn't bother checking the flag, however, since in essence you already proved this. In 1993, I doubt if Apple intentionally was attempting to preclude embedding, since Acrobat was in its infancy. But as many know the default flag in Macromedia's Fontographer font generation program was "not" to allow embedding. The bottom line is that until the late 90s most people didn't have a clue what the ramifications were for the TrueType embedding restriction flags. Even Adobe wasn't aware of potential problems until certain font foundries started screaming in 1998-99 that people could steal their fonts from PDFs. In Acrobat 4, Adobe responded by changing their code in Distiller to respect the restriction flags. FWIW, the whole font licensing problem continues to be a real can of worms. It's so easy for people to copy and share fonts and/or change the flags, I doubt that anyone would ever go to the trouble to try to extract a font from a PDF in order to make a new font. I don't blame the font makers for worrying about lost revenue. I wonder if anyone ever will come up with a workable solution for font piracy? Rich -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard Rosenthol Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PDF-Basics] Skia PDF-Basics is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com/ __________________________________________________________________ At 8:27 AM -0800 1/15/04, Rich Sprague wrote: >Skia is a Macintosh TrueType font which has a flag restricting it from >being embedded in a PDF file. Beginning with Acrobat 4, the program >will not embed fonts which are not licensed for such a purpose. > I just created a PDF on Mac OS X 10.3 using Skia & the built-in PDF creation feature and Mac OS X (which DOES respect font embedding flags) happily subset embedded Skia into my document. However, we don't know what version of Mac OS you are using - so perhaps an older version did have this restriction as Rich says... Leonard -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chief Technical Officer <http://www.pdfsages.com> PDF Sages, Inc. 215-629-3700 (voice) 215-629-0789 (fax) To change your subscription: http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdfbasics.html To change your subscription: http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdfbasics.html