I think we are mixing emails.  Brad did ask about playing with studio
lighting.  Knowing that he already had 1 AF360, that is why I said
what I did.

In your case, I have already recommended the Alien Bees for real
studio flashes.  Otherwise, use any flashes that you have with
Lumiquest softboxes on them.

The problem of modeling lights is a very real one IMO.  When shooting
film, you really can't see the results of your work until it is too
late.  I went from using AF360's to Alien Bees for two reasons.  One
was the modeling light problem and the other was lack of flash power.
Shoot the 67, I need even more DOF than on 35 and was really
struggling with enough power out of the AF360's.

I am happy with the Bees and the price.


Bruce



Saturday, December 7, 2002, 2:11:39 PM, you wrote:

FK> Hi Bruce, actually my name's Feroze :)

FK> 2 AF360's would cost me 4 times what
FK> a decent set of lights and accessories would, plus
FK> I would be without modelling lights. One of my requiremnets
FK> is that they run relatively cool so "hotlights" would be a no-no.

FK> How do you use your flashes then, on a bracket?

FK> feroze


FK> ----- Original Message -----
FK> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
FK> To: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
FK> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 6:18 PM
FK> Subject: Re[8]: electra studio flash/ring flash


>> Brad,
>>
>> Well, there's cheap as in inexpensive and cheap as in low quality. The
>> cheapest way to do it is buy another AF360FGZ (I've done this) and two
>> Lumiquest softboxes.  Then start practicing with a 2 light setup.
>>
>> You can always use hotlights.  You'll need a couple of reflectors
>> (Home Depot) and then some strong spotlights.  Photofloods are
>> relatively cheap, but don't last very long (hours) and their color
>> temperature changes as they burn out.  Quartz last much longer and
>> their color temperature is much more steady.  The reason they are
>> called "hot lights" is because they are very hot.  Both in adjusting
>> them and if you are the subject.  Typical wattages are 250-500.  The
>> big advantage is that you can see exactly the effect of the light
>> (shadows).  If you are using color film, you do have to deal with
>> color temperature (filtering).  There are a few films already balanced
>> for Tungsten.
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> Saturday, December 7, 2002, 3:14:51 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> BD> Hey,
>>
>> BD> I'd love to try a studio setup.  How much does *cheap* equipment cost?
FK> Or
>> BD> rentals?  It would be fun to do some work with friends and family and
FK> a bit
>> BD> of still life, providing the cost isn't prohibitive.
>>
>> BD> Brad
>> BD> ----- Original Message -----
>> BD> From: "Feroze Kistan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> BD> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> BD> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 6:07 AM
>> BD> Subject: Re: Re[6]: electra studio flash/ring flash
>>
>>
>> >> Well this is the problem, I need to buy
>> >> studio lights. I like the idea of continuous
>> >> lights. It takes me ages to set up a shot
>> >> and if I could have the lights on most of the time
>> >> the composition would be so much easier.
>> >> So what time I save in the shoot is to mine
>> >> and the clients advantage
>> >>
>> >> Feroze
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:56 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Re[6]: electra studio flash/ring flash
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: Feroze Kistan
>> >> > Subject: Re: Re[6]: electra studio flash/ring flash
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hi Rob,
>> >> > > So what is the generally accepted opinion?
>> >> > > In a studio setup, for my situtation, 90%
>> >> > > pack shots, and I'm just learning to shoot slides,
>> >> > > will a hand held meter be more accurate than
>> >> > > using the cameras meter?
>> >> >
>> >> > Are yoy planning on shooting with studio strobes, or continuous
>> >> > light?
>> >> > If you are shooting with continuous light, then the in camera
>> >> > meter will be as accurate as anything.
>> >> > If you are shooting with studio strobe, then it depends on how
>> >> > much of the work you want to do. If you are going to do the
>> >> > flash calculations yourself, using guide numbers and flash to
>> >> > subject distances, then that will be as acurate as the meter,
>> >> > presuming you can get an accurate estimate of your studio unit's
>> >> > output (hint: you'll need a flash meter).
>> >> > I wouldn't want to do it this way. I like knowing that the
>> >> > exposures will be close to correct.
>> >> >
>> >> > William Robb
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>

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