Mike,
It's great to have you on the list. Jealousy appears to be at the route of
your attackers jibes. There is nothing wrong with stating you are an artist.
You have more claim than most to that title, although formal training is
something  many have not had available. Being 'Artistic' is something I can
claim to have been since childhood. Although I have never had formal
training, I joined local Art Clubs in Liverpool and Glenrothes, Fife. The
Liver Art Club, was in Hackins Hey, off Dale Street, in one of Liverpool's
mediaeval street's. Hackins Hey was amazing to draw and paint. I learned
composition and perspective from both the famous, and some great unsung
local artists. When I took up photography, I instinctively used techniques
learned at the Art Club. I have forgotten a lot of what I learned, but can
still draw reasonably well. Just need some practice to restore my skills.


Now my 8 children, have all been artistic from an early age. On my wife's
side of the Family, her Mother, Sister and Grandfather are self taught oil
and watercolour painters.

On another point, I left the group some time ago, as I was sick of the
endless back-biting and bickering that went on. If anything,  it appears to
have got worse. I just do not have the time or energy to plough through 225
emails a day, most of having naught to do with Photography.

Please let us get back to what made PDML attractive to most of us. And limit
discussions to relevant subjects. If folks want to 'chat' join MSN Messenger
or the likes.
I won't be staying long if the current trends continues.
James


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