On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Roland Mabo wrote:

> >From: Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:29:11 -0600 (CST)
> >
> >Agreed.  I'm not saying that the *ist is mid-level, just that I can't >see
> >it being the least-expensive 35mm AF SLR in Pentax's lineup.
>
> Ok, on that we don't agree. Pentax entered the low-end with the MZ/ZX-50.
> When the Z-serie was released, Pentax had the Z-1 (semipro) and Z-10
> (beginner). Then came the Z-20 (advanced). Z-50 was only sold in a few
> countries, and some sort of a mix between the Z-20 and Z-1. The Z-20 was
> replaced by the lower featured Z-70. At this time, the Z-50 and Z-10 were
> gone. And when the lineup was Z-70 and Z-1, the MZ-5 entered the market.
> Then the Z-70 was replaced with the MZ-10. Now, the MZ-50 appeared. Pentax
> first low-end model. So, with this I simply mean that it's not part of
> Pentax AF history to have a model in the absolut low-end.

To take a page from your book, stop thinking about the distant past and
look what they've done since the MZ-50.  Since then, Pentax has had an
absolute entry-level SLR camera priced either the same as, or lower than,
comparable N/C models.  The MZ-50, MZ-30 and MZ-60 bodies show that Pentax
is committed to the absolute entry-level market, and the FA-J lenses
confirm them.

> >How on earth do you figure?  We sell the MZ-6, F65 and Rebel Ti for >about
> >$500 CAN.  We sell the MZ-60, F55 and Rebel 2000 for $380-$400 >CAN.  The
> >MZ-60 with the new FA-J lens will sell for about $350 CAN.  >There is no
> >way that the *ist will sell for $350 CAN with a lens in >the forseeable
> >future, and there is no way that Pentax will abandon >that market segment.
>
> As I said, I believe that Pentax will sell the MZ-60 as long as there
> is a demand for it. The *ist will compete with the F/N 65/75, EOS 300V
> (Rebel Ti)  and Dynax/Maxxum 5 and 4. Not with the bodies below this.
> And I don't believe that Pentax will make an *ist below the current. I
> believe that those who takes SLR serious, will want a more advanced
> model. Those who wants a p&s camera will buy a digital zoomcompact
> instead. So, the absolut low-end SLR market are likely to disappear.

I don't agree with most of what you wrote, but I don't feel like getting
into that right now.  Pentax may sell the *ist for $350 CAN or so in the
future, but I doubt it.  I don't buy the argument that people are suddenly
going to stop buying the extremely-popular $380-400 CAN cameras just
because they can get a digital for the same price.  People buy film SRL's
because they want better quality photos, more flexibility (esp. longer
lenses), and more manual overrides than p&s's.  It doesn't matter if the
p&s's are film or digital; both suffer from the same limitations that
drive people to buy an entry-level SLR in the first place.  I sell
cameras.  I see on a daily basis what people want.

chris

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