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> In a message dated 6/15/2003 7:22:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> writes:
>
> > I agree with you, Bruce,
> >
> > The barn is my fave, too.
> >
> > Well done, Marnie!  All were wonderful shots.  So now that
> > it's all over, what do you think of your instructer?
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
>
> I feel like giving a long-winded reply, so I will. :-)
>
> Long winded reply started.
>
> I found him very anal retentive. To put a nice face on it, he's a perfectionist. 
> This may often be a requirement for photographers. But while sometimes that is okay, 
> and it certainly made the students that remained try harder, other times it was a 
> big pain in the ___. Also having done stock photography for 25 plus years, he does 
> know his stuff. I don't think his technique can be faulted. Exposure, film usage, 
> all that. But his critiques were too brutal. Now, I think that bothered him, that he 
> had a high drop out rate. And he would soften his critiques on the next class after 
> a previous class where he might have been too harsh. He was good at finding what was 
> wrong or needed improvement, but not nearly as good at saying what worked and 
> motivating people.
>
> But doing good critiques is, after all, an art form.
>
> About three weeks ago, he had his own show (with three others) at the library next 
> to the community center (I don't think I mentioned this before, I did see his work 
> before but that was in class). IR B&W of mainly oak trees. Very nice. It is still 
> running. So I was sort of aware that this student show -- well, it would reflect on 
> him as a teacher -- and he is now trying to make part of his income as a teacher. 
> He's probably semi-retired.
>
> But I think that also made him a little too harsh sometimes, worrying about how it 
> would reflect on him. He actually had to call up two people and ask them to come 
> back for the show (the ones that dropped out last).
>
> However, I came to see that he was trying. He really wanted to help the students get 
> better and was basically a giving sort of person. Although the little show helps him 
> promote himself as a teacher, it was also super nice for us, the students. And he 
> really enjoyed the fact that we enjoyed it.
>
> So, hehehehe, the night of our show as I was leaving, I gave him a letter making 
> suggestions on how he could make his critiques less brutal in the future and 
> including a critique of HIS show. Hehehehehe. He can critique us, I can critique 
> him. ;-)I found many of his pictures "too safe." Although undoubtedly good. But 
> little risk taking. That can be a rut, so I commented on it (without calling it a 
> rut). I didn't tell him this, but I found his pictures a little too repetitive, 
> although it may be a factor that he is trying to sell them. I think, after years of 
> doing stock photography, he is branching out into the "art" realm.
>
> However, during the class there were also a lot of things I disagreed with too, like 
> "in wild life shots there should be at least one eye visible." Okay, who's rule is 
> that??? I can see where that is preferable, but certainly not always achievable. 
> That's why the deer shot I have in the show is very small, no eye open. It's there, 
> but closed. Also it's not that great a shot too.
>
> So, he's good at what he does, he has stuff to offer, but his critiques were too 
> brutal and in his own work he plays it safe a lot. That anal retentiveness or 
> perfectionism. I've seen some more interesting things on this list, and most of the 
> people here are not making a living at it. Of course, that might be why they can 
> take more risks too. But I figure if you are trying to do "art," you HAVE to take 
> more risks.
>
> No word back on the letter yet, although I included my email address. But not really 
> expecting one either.
>
> Long reply ended. I learned a lot, but some of it I am definitely rejecting too. 
> I'll make up a lot of my own "rules."
>
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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"What a senseless waste of human life"
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