[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Now that Pal brought it up, you know I find your derision of other people, > other equipment, and other methods (i.e. digital) extremely tedious. Boring. > Also very juvenile.
I apologize for the post, I should have taken it off list. Publicly taking you to task is no better than derision of others. >If you want a decent argument, here it is. First, let aside Paal & Bruce and lets discuss the "derision" of other people. >The most "insulting" to everyone threads I've been involved were indeed the digital ones. Here they are in order: >1) The projection test. I still submit that it is a valid test and was done correctly. I compared digital vs. film for the purpose of projecting images, and used fair equipment choices (in fact the digital was at least 10 times more expensive). I don't see why anyone should get insulted by such. Yes, it is limited to projection purposes only, but I didn't state otherwise. This was not insulting, if recall it correctly. And I thought it was an interesting point. >2) the "photograph" vs. "inkjet print" discussion. Where everybody got insulted by the toilet paper thing. Without noticing that it was a "reductio ad absurdum" argument, i.e. I apply the same logic in "an inkjet print may have the same purpose as a photograph thus it is a photograph" to a different example, giving an absurd result (toilet paper). Those not recognizing the argument type felt insulted by the absurd result. What do you want me to do about it ? Your point could have been made better I feel without things like the "toilet paper" comment. If you are being tongue in cheek, warning, warning, I have found (being a tongue in cheek person) it does not come across well in writing and is not usually that effective on the Internet. People take it wrong without the accompanying smiling eyes and mouth. The obvious, what say I call it?, negative approach tended to override any point you were trying to make. No one likes to have others put down their choices and their efforts. No one. Whether their choices and efforts would be ours, it doesn't matter. One can say what one likes, what one believes to be better, what one's experience is, without at the same time detracting from or putting down others choices and efforts. 3) the enlarger & image reconstruction thread. Where I write black on white that digital has the advantage of better image reconstruction methods and people cry out that I'm dissing digital. What do you want me to do about it ? Nothing. Didn't read it, sounds fine. 4) the cheerleader thread. That's fresh, you know my pov. If you want to cheerlead, insulting people is counterproductive. If someone has a problem that you don't, you may remain silent or say something like "I'm sorry to hear that, let's hope things will eventually be solved". Starting an insulting war against them, trying to make them feel culpable for something they didn't create doesn't help at all. cheers, caveman You can make points without calling someone something. I think Pal is a strong believer in Pentax, who also holds strong opinions about which he argues strongly. But that does not make him in Pentax's employ or something. And there are others on this list who also love Pentax. That doesn't mean criticism isn't applicable or called for, just that they don't need to find the same faults that others do. They may find different faults. Or no faults with a particular item. We all like different things. Everyone has their own view points. I'd, personally, just like that to be respected. I apologize for making a public post and I have also sent you a private letter, so if we continue this discussion, let it be off list. Marnie aka Doe
