Thanks, Anthony, the education is useful.

The subject is still "Dynamic Range".

"Dynamic" expressly implies continual change with time. Music has dynamic
range. Photographs do not. The scene may have it, but aside from multiple
exposures etc., still photographs do not record it, though they may imply
it. I am aware that some professionals and even some companies occasionally
use the term. I understand what they mean. It is still incorrect in many of
the contexts where it's used.


After reading your first several posts to this group, I decided that you
must be the most abrasive, arrogant asshole on the planet. This made me
jealous, as I believed this was my position. Since this beginning, I've seen
no reason to change my mind regarding you, and I'm quite sure you have no
reason to change your mind about me.

I suggest we both just try to stay out of each other's way.

Regards,
Bob...
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From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Entering "film acceptance range" into the Google search engine generates
> one
> > (1) hit only. Film latitude generates about 673 hits. "Stop latitude"
> > generates about an additional 236 hits. "exposure  latitude" generates
> about
> > 92,000 hits.
> >
> > "Dynamic" expressly implies continual change with time. Music has
dynamic
> > range. Photographs do not. The scene may have it, but aside from
multiple
> > exposures etc., still photographs do not record it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob...
> > Control Systems Engineer &
> > Technical photographer...
> ________________________________________________________
>
> FYI
>
> "Film acceptance range" is the number of stops of exposure that can be
> placed on the "straight line" of a film's characteristic curve, or between
a
> prescribed point on the toe and another prescribed point on the shoulder
of
> the characteristic curve, depending on the method being employed.  Many
> people ~incorrectly~ call this the latitude.
>
> "Exposure latitude" is the number of stops that a scene's exposure can be
> varied up and down and still fit within the "film acceptance range".  For
> instance if the scene you wished to record on a film had a brightness
range
> of five stops, and the film you were using had a "film acceptance range"
of
> eight stops, you would have an "exposure latitude" of three stops.
However
> if the scene had a range of ten stops you'd be SOOL (presuming you
couldn't
> adjust the curve by modifying development), and would be compelled to
either
> put
> some highlight onto the shoulder, or some shadow onto the toe of the
curve,
> or both,  Incidentally, this is where film retains the edge over digital,
> because exposure outside the optimum range (on the straight line) of film
> doesn't
> immediately become unusable, but instead gradually diminishes in its
> usability according to the users taste.
>
> As for Google, that search engine is not an arbiter of right and wrong but
> simply a popularity contest.  Firstly the results reflect the volume of
> visits to a site, secondly there are many more amateurs spouting shoddy
> factoids in vanity websites than there are professionals sharing textbook
> knowledge in either academic or corporate websites.
>
> FWIW the single result of the search for "film
> acceptance range" is <http://www.spectracine.com/ascartcle.html> and is
> the essay "Exposure Meters" by Jim Branch & Nasir J. Zaidi, ASC Member
> (Associate), web-published by the well regarded cine-exposure meter
company
> Spectra.  After reading it I would thoroughly
> recommend it to anybody wanting to learn some basic metering concepts from
> professionals in cinematography.
>
> OTOH the second site listed in the "film latitude" search results (the
first
> required registration so I skipped it),
> <http://www.tpub.com/content/photography/14130/css/14130_209.htm>,
> incorrectly named "exposure latitude" as "film latitude". I also found
such
> gems of claptrap and/or inept writing such as,
> "The gelatin ........ prevents action by a developer until the silver
> halides have been made developable either by exposure to light or chemical
> action. The gelatin also acts as a sensitizer for the silver salts", and
> "color films can be recognized because they contain the suffix 'color'."
>
> I could go on and on but I won't, that site is poo.
>
> The third Google result for "film latitude" was
> <http://www.jamesarnett.com/1-1-10-4.html> and doesn't actually contain
that
> phrase, it is the page title in the html and ~never~ appears on the
visible
> page.
>
> I won't waste any more time in this futile search.  I studied photography
at
> Sydney Technical College's School of Graphic Arts over twenty years ago,
and
> I know what I learned, and it wasn't to be BSed by amateurs.
>
> And from a motor mechanic to whom I theorized about the cause of my car's
> engine disorder , I learnt the rhetorical question,
> "So where did you serve your apprenticeship, sport?"
>
> regards,
> Anthony Farr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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