Well,  Mark, it's annoying to me.  I'm glad you find that it's OK for you.  I
guess we just have different personalities.  I know how to make an action, and
all that other stuff ... it's just annoying.  I don't like unloading the
dishwasher, either ... although I don't mind loading it.

My experience is otherwise as I've been using high quality labs that do what I
ask them to do, and, so far, do it well.  Even Ritz, a generally low-end place,
has given me "no corrections."

My quality lab does a fine job ... I won't tolerate "pretty poor" from any lab
that's doing serious work for me.

Mark Cassino wrote:

> At 10:36 AM 1/2/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >Well, assuming that the BMP files produce a good image quality, using
> >them in PS is a PITA.  Conversion from BMP to a PSD or TIFF file is
> >annoying
>
> Why?  Load the BMP, save as TIF of PSD.  Or make an action that reads all
> the BMP's in and saves them as TIF's, or use a utility (like ACDSee) that
> will batch convert from one format to another...
>
> >, and had I been using color instead of C-41 B&W for this test,
> >I'd have had to fiddle with that as well.
>
> I consider scanning and Photoshop work to basically be the analog to
> darkroom printing.  My experience has been that scanning and adjusting an
> image so it is ready to be sent to a printer or presented on a screen takes
> about as much time as printing and toning in the dark room - less the
> rinsing and drying times of course.  So yeah, you do have to fiddle with
> everything...
>
> Of course ....
>
> >The lab's "high res" scans were awful.
>
> ....having a good scan as a starting point is essential.
>
> >  I asked for no corrections as i
> >was playing around with different exposures of the same scene.  Of
> >course, they screwed that up pretty badly.  In fact, an underexposed
> >frame was actually brighter than the normally exposed frame taken
> >afterwards.  It looked more like the following overexposed frame.
>
> My own experience is that scan software will always try to adjust the
> image, and it's almost impossible to get a good neutral scan to work with.
> Personally, I scan slides in Vuescan with no adjustments which gives me a
> very flat, blah, terrible image. I then adjust it manually in
> Photoshop.  For color negs I set the scanning software to do minimal
> adjustments just to get the colors in the ball park, but for difficult
> shots it's easier and faster to just do a completely unadjusted scan of the
> neg (i.e. scan it as a slide) manually invert the image and cancel out the
> orange mask.
>
> >While I've not had this problem with the pro lab that I use,  his mess
> >leads to the question of how to reduce the possibility of this happening
> >again, with any lab.  I was thinking of including a calibration frame on
> >the first frame ... maybe a grey card or a grey scale shot.  Do you
> >think this'll help?
>
> I'd expect the lab to be able to kick out scans as good as machine prints
> from the negs - which are usually pretty poor.  You'd be better off IMO
> getting the to do truly neutral scans but those will look really terrible
> right off the disk.  But then you have the raw data and can adjust to fit
> your own tastes.
>
> - MCC
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>
> Mark Cassino Photography
>
> Kalamazoo, MI
>
> http://www.markcassino.com
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