Which party is being subservient?  Or is either?  Can you
have subservience if all involved see the situation
similarly, feel the same way, share the same feelings?  Is
subservience then just a game that's being played with no
real subjugation by either party?

mike wilson wrote:

> But all of those involve subservience.  Of the free volition kind, that
> you do to help others by subjugating your own wishes.

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