I appreciate your post, Shel.

From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Lasse,  I knew you'd respond with some invective and rough
> language.  Please, try at least to tone it down.

I will, when personal attacks on my integrity on the list stop.

(As for the "invectives" - while I realize they are perceived as invectives or insults 
at the receiver's end, I just, as a linguist, want to point out that to me, from the 
sender's point of view, they are merely descriptions, as accurate as possible...) 

>You can
> make the same point - even make it stronger - without
> resorting to such language as in this post and in your reply
> to another message.

I don't know about that, Shel. I really don't think I need to make any stronger points.
I think calling graywolf a "scumbag", "liar", "creep" and a "slime bag" pretty much 
sums it up quite well.
 
> How all this political garbage got strewn all over the list
> is beyond me

For me it started with post by Collin. Others took it from there.
That's the way it usually starts - someone posting offensive political statements.
Personally I didn't make any political statements. I just tried to get rid of them.

> - yeah, I know who said what to whom - but this
> sort of thing on a photo list does little to promote the
> enjoyment of photography and the use of Pentax gear.
 
I agree with you completely. That's why I asked Collin for an explanation of why he 
posted political statements to the list in the first place.

> If you and Collin and Graywolf want to make political
> statements

I have no wish to make political statements, and I didn't make any.
On the contrary, I was merely trying to get political statements off the list.
As for Collin's and graywolfs intentions, you'd have to ask them.
I have no issue with Collin's posts anymore, since he already took a decision for the 
purpose of maintaining positive relationships on PDML and for which I respect him.
What has now followed are just all these snakes, whose ugly heads at the smell of dirt 
pop up to get their piece of the dirt throwing action in personal attacks on me.

>make 'em through photographs, not through rants
> on the list.  You've got cameras, use 'em instead of this
> list to make your feelings and politics known.

I have no interest in making my politics known. I just want to make pretty pictures, 
discuss photography and participate in this list without getting subject to any 
political preachings, just as the PDML rules say.

Thanks for your good intentions. I appreciate it and agree with them wholeheartedly.

Lasse

> Lasse Karlsson wrote:
> > 
> > From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Q: What is the difference between Lasse Karlsson and a terrorist?
> > > A: A terrorist has guts.
> > 
> > > I have to admit I have been waiting for him to tell us that Spain got what it
> > > deserved as he did about the US after 9/11.
> > 
> > You scumbag of a liar - you present the list proof of what your saying or 
> > apologize, you little creep!!
> > Do you have the guts for it, slime bag?
> > 
> > Lasse


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