And also not wanting to come across like Mafud...
and just putting in my 2 cents worth...
and not wanting to make anyone upset...
Sterotypically speaking I consider journalism, bad-taste, and unethical to
be synonymous terms.
Tom C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Re[4]: $50K for 8 negatives at ebay
> Whatever, Bob.
> Without wanting to come across like Mafud:
> 1) At what point did this thread become about journalism? Your
> argument is built around a journalism strawman.
> 2) What this thread started out as (at least for me) was a
> distaste for someone trying to make 50 grand (the amount isn't
> really germaine) off of someones misfortune. No journalistic
> integrity is involved in an eBay auction.
> 3) For the record, I am not a motorsport follower, and had not
> heard of Dale Earnhardt(?) prior to his untimely demise.
> 4) This is not about journalism, it is about greed.
> William Robb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: April 26, 2001 1:57 AM
> Subject: Re[4]: $50K for 8 negatives at ebay
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > my purpose in using these examples is that they too are no
> longer
> > journalism. Just as the crash photos _were_ journalism a few
> weeks
> > ago, so Pliny's writing _was_ journalism in 79AD, and
> Salgado's photos
> > in the mid-1980s.
> >
> > Now they're not, they're history, like the crash photos, and
> when
> > published now they are published in the context of
> entertainment -
> > Salgado occupies the same shelves as La Chappelle and Araki,
> Pliny the
> > same shelves as Ovid.
> >
> > At what point do they cease to be journalism, and apparently
> not
> > subject to cries of 'Exploitation!', and move into some
> condition
> > where they _are_ open to such cries?
> >
> > To give another example: the 1st published photos of the
> crashed Air
> > France Concorde were not particularly good photos, but they
> were good
> > enough while the news was hot. A few weeks later, after the
> heat had
> > gone out of the news, another photo appeared which is
> aesthetically
> > far better, and got a lot of coverage as well as earning a lot
> of
> > money for the photographer. Its additional news value, as far
> as I can
> > tell, was nil. There were no cries of exploitation from
> anybody on
> > this site - rather there were gasps of admiration for the
> aesthetic
> > qualities of the picture.
> >
> > It seems to me that people are not opposed to the exploitation
> of
> > these photos, but are instead shocked for 2 reasons: first, at
> the use
> > of eBay as a medium for trying to sell them, and 2nd because
> the crash
> > victim was well-known to them and in some way important in
> their lives.
> >
> > If instead of being Dale Earnhardt (apologies if I have his
> name spelt
> > wrong) it had been a sportsman you'd never heard of, in a
> sport that
> > was little-known in the US, I don't believe your reactions
> would have
> > been the same. I think the Concorde example, where the victims
> were
> > anonymous to you, supports this view.
> >
> > Furthermore, if the photographer had successfully hawked them
> around the
> > agencies nobody here would have given them a moment's
> consideration. But
> > in both cases he's trying to earn money by capitalising on the
> celebrity
> > of the victim, which makes him no different to any of the
> staff or freelance
> > journalists (print, TV, photo or sketchpad) who cover tragic
> events, or any
> > member of the public who gets lucky with their camera.
> >
>
>
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