On 4 Sep 2004 at 0:18, David Mann wrote:

> I haven't looked at ColorMatch RGB but ProPhoto RGB is by far the 
> largest colour space I've ever seen.  Adobe 1998 is a little bigger 
> than sRGB, mainly in the green channel (which includes cyan).  Adobe's 
> is optimised for the publishing industry, and sRGB was created to 
> represent the phosphors of most computer monitors

I found a great on-line utility for comparing ICC gamuts using 3D plots via 
VRML:

http://www.iccview.de/index_eng.htm

Using this utility it's evident that even AdobeRGB clips the printable gumut of 
an Epson 2100 printer.

> Colour management is all about preserving colour 
> so from that perspective it is best to use a very large bit depth.
> 
> Increasing bit depth requires more memory and disk space to store, and 
> more CPU to process.  This all costs money so we don't want to do this 
> unless it's really necessary, so for best results it's important to 
> choose a working space that is big enough but not too big :)

I've geared my new imaging work-station to be able to handle 16bit per channel 
colour images with ease so if utilizing a wide gumut CS and greater bit depth 
is the optimum solution that's likely what I'll employ.

> In reality, there is little difference between sRGB and Adobe RGB.  IMO 
> 8 bits per channel is fine in either of these spaces.  Anything bigger 
> than Adobe RGB (eg EktaSpace or Pro Photo RGB) I would strongly 
> recommend storing at 16 bits per channel.

WideGamutRGB seems like a hyper sized Adobe RGB and may be a better solution 
than ProPhoto RGB if working with 8bit per colour channel however it does seem 
to slightly clip a lot of colour spaces in a particular plane.

> When printing it gets really messy as printer gamuts can be all over 
> the place.  Inkjets are really CMYK devices so their gamuts don't match 
> up with RGB colour spaces.  Soft proofing is very good but it does rely 
> on having a well calibrated a profiled monitor, and accurate printer 
> profile for your ink and paper combination.

I found the concept presented at http://www.photogamut.org/ interesting, they 
have supposedly designed a real world universal profile which was modelled on 
real device data however when comparing the PhotoGamutRGB.icc with the Epson 
2100 device profile there are significant indications of clipping.

> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/profile_test/
> 
> That page only exists to test whether your web browser is colour 
> managed.  I need to update the yes/no list as I've had some more 
> feedback (no more "yes" entries, unfortunately).  It seems that only 
> Mac browsers support it as they tie into ColorSync at the system level.

Yes unfortunately it appears that there isn't yet a colour savvy web Browser 
for the Windows platform, very sad indeed.

> - Dave (one of these days I want to write a web-based guide that's both 
> informative and understandable).

That would be good, currently it's all a bit daunting until you study scattered 
resources and finally manage to tie up all the seemingly un-related 
information. Thanks for the detailed reply.

Cheers,




Rob Studdert
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