First of all I'm not sure I understand your complaint.  The photo you show
looks like what I would expect a good file to look like on screen.

As far as comparing digital to film, you just can't.  They are different.
One might work better than the other for different subjects or for different
photographer's tastes, but they are apples and oranges.

I have had great success with digital for my portraits.  I show an 8x10 from
35mm NPS next to an 8x10 from the istD, very similar shots, and most people
prefer the digital for it's lack of grain and better detail.  Maybe it is a
matter of how it is processed, afterall, we are now the lab in addition to
being the photographer.  We have a whole new set of skills to master.

I don't like every shot that rolls off my istD, but then I didn't like every
shot that rolled off my MZ-S, or my ME Super, or my Mamiya, or even my
Zeiss.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *ist D image quality-_Was -Stupid Question #999


I already retracted my 1.5:1 comment, just a brain cramp. :-(

HOWEVER... one thing still bugs me.
It seems to me that the general consensus is that the D can for the
most part match the quality of 35mm. Otherwise why would so many people
abandon film for digital, even pros who have shot many thousands of film
exposures? I wouldn't think convenience alone could account for this.
This would indicate that an APS size sensor can capture as much, and as
quality image data as a 24x36 film frame.
Now, I've only taken several hundred shots so far with the D.
Many of these however have been with my best lenses, at the lowest
ISO setting, on a solid tripod, with mirror lockup,
of carefully lighted subjects, as RAW.
Out of those several hundred I have only 7 or 8 that
I would say could rival my favorite Reala film.
This is after long sessions in PS and trying for the
best result possible.
I am using 7x10.5 inch prints for comparison. (8.5x11)
The most impressed I've been so far is this one:

http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Hinge.htm

(Please note that this was a test, not an attempt at art!) ;-)

Unfortunately the web doesn't do it justice.
The print is sharper, the detail is higher
and the shadows are clear and open.

Am I simply not experienced enough yet in processing digital
or am I REALLY expecting a 6MP digital to rival film when this
is an unrealistic expectation?
Or do I need to re-learn with digital the things I've learned
with film?

Sorry for the rant, 40 hours without sleep does that to me. :-(
(Workday from hell!)

Don (Off to bed now)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Stupid Question #999, Macro lenses on ist-D
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Sanderson"
> Subject: Stupid Question #999, Macro lenses on ist-D
>
>
> > On the *ist D wouldn't a 50mm 1:1 Macro lens be roughly equivilent
> > to a 75mm
> > 1.5:1 on a 35mm?
>
> The reproduction ratio stays the same.
> 1:1 is 1:1.
> It's jut that with the istD, that 1 translates to a smaller amount in
> the viewfinder.
>
> > Or, put another way: To achieve 1:1 couldn't you be 1.5x farther
> > away?
>
> No, if you are farther away, you are no longer 1:1.
>
> This is why I rail at people who try to do conversions.
>
> William Robb
>
>


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