Interestingly enough chip sizes have gotten bigger and chip density has increased to the point where Itel, etc. are ready to start producing dual processors on a single chip. All of this stuff takes me back a few years when they were predicting that IC's were near the end of their development because they could not get smaller and they could not produce bigger chips. As usual the experts were wrong. You can not lose in the long run betting against the experts.


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Rob Studdert wrote:
On 17 Dec 2004 at 10:33, Toralf Lund wrote:


Yes. The actual utilisation of the silicon has improved a bit over the years, though, hasn't it.


Yes, but not so much in the realms of digital imaging, photo-sites can't be continuously made more dense without compromise to image quality.


Another question is how large a portion of the sensor price is raw material cost, anyway, and also how much of what you pay for the camera actually goes to the sensor producer. I haven't really tried to check lately...


Quite a bit I'd assume, even APS sensors are a whopping bit of silicon relative to most other VLSI products, though I don't have $$$ figures.


Yes. That's what I meant, more or less, when I said there isn't much in it for the camera producers. However, what I'm also saying, is that *maybe* you can hope that one of the camera makers will see upgradeability as enough of a selling point to make (economic) sense for that company, even though it's not "good" for the business as a whole. (And if one vendor does it, the others will possibly feel obliged to follow.)


Well just citing our beloved Pentax it's pretty easy to see that they've pulled some stops to "encourage" us to buy new lenses and it's certainly not in the name of progress.


As for the traditional film makers, what I was referring to is that the same companies are to a certain extent the ones that make the digital sensors, but I guess they are not significant enough in that area to be able to call the shots.


The sensor makers (all but Canon) care not how the sensors are used as long as their sales volumes are sufficient to generate profit. I can't see any camera company producing a product that won't be deemed outdated in a a few short years, it just wouldn't make economic sense. This unfortunately is the bottom line.


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