Hi,

Monday, January 24, 2005, 8:28:05 PM, pnstenquist wrote:

> Based on your definition of a lie, one must draw an arbitrary
> line.

Why?

> Although Dali mimiced reality, most of his work (but not all)
> departed sufficiently from the real to make it unmistakably surreal.

So what? It doesn't mean it was a lie

> But how much evidence does the artist have to offer in order to
> escape the lie?

I don't understand the question

> Are painters who use a photo realist style obligated
> to paint only things that really exist?

Nobody's obliged to do anything. Did you think I implied in my
comment that they were?

> I think not. An attempt to
> deceive in the cause of artistic expression is not necessarily
> nefarious.

Nor is lying necessarily nefarious. But if somebody tells you
something that is not true, and they know it's not true, and they
intend to deceive you, then it's a lie. Not necessarily a bad thing
though.

> Art should never be subject to arbitrary rules.

That sounds to me like an arbitrary rule.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

>> Hi,
>> 
>> Monday, January 24, 2005, 7:44:52 PM, pnstenquist wrote:
>> 
>> > And a beautiful. well-executed lie can be artful and valuable.
>> > Would anyone say that Dali's work was not artful, although it
>> > mimiced reality while twisting it to suit the artist's intention?
>> > Paul
>> 
>> Dali's work isn't a lie. He wasn't trying to deceive anybody.
>> 
>> The characteristic property of a lie is the intent to deceive.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheers,
>>  Bob
>> 



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