I see that your saying roughly 2.5 million DSLRS a year being sold worldwide. You don't think there could very easily be 2.5 million former SLR users switching to digital? 2.5 million former SLR users isnt much worldwide in my mind... How many former SLR users do you think there are worldwide? I bet its way more than 2.5 million...
I am not saying this proves anything but without more information this is very inconclusive one way or the other to me at least, I don't understand why you are so convinced... as for reasons to switch from P&S digicams to DSLRS are DSLRS actually quieter? Why? Are they really faster now, P&S digicams have narrowed that gap considerably havent they?. ISO limits are not much of an issue. People used 400 film with much lower image qualtiy in there slow lensed P&S film cameras and didn't care much... jco -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: green button wars (again) Simple. Prosumer P&S's are noisy, slow and have low ISO limits. These are what is pushing this market into DSLR's. Digital fueled a huge boom in the pool of photographers, everybody's shooting again. Get enough people shooting and some are going to want more. I doubt the percentage of SLR users is much higher than it was in the mid-80's, but the pool of photographers is much larger than it was 5 years ago. There simply aren't enough film SLR users out there to drive the sales numbers Nikon and Canon are seeing. Remember that the low-end Nikons and Rebels are selling around 100,000 units a month. You think there are enough film SLR users out there to drive 200,000 units a month in sales (About 50% of the low end market in Nikon and Canon alone, postulating 100,000 units a month by 4 major models). I certainly don't. I'd suspect the fraction of former film users Pentax gets is higher, but that is mostly due to Pentax's cult status in the SLR market, it simply doesn't have the name Canon and Nikon do in the consumer market. 4 years ago you barely saw an SLR on the street anymore. Now I see them every day. And they're almost always digital. -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: >Look I understand that film slrs are virtually history >now and there wont be any more film SLR buyers but I don't think we are >at the point where more DSLRS are being bought by first time SLRS users >than former SLR users. With P&S being so popular in the 80's and 90's >film era, what has changed to make the mass market want to switch BACK >to DSLR instead of P&S digicams? I don't see it. I still feel >that more DSLRS are bought by former SLR owners. Until >you can show me some sources that show otherwise I simply >wont cant see it but I am willing to see...SLRS fell out of >mainstream about 15-20 years ago and I cant see the masses >rushing back to them just because there's now digital ones >available.. >JCO > >-----Original Message----- >From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:13 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: green button wars (again) > > >The SLR market is a fraction of the total market. And the expansion of >the DSLR market has been far too quick for it to just be film SLR owners >buying in. The cash cow for the DSLR market has been folks upgrading >from a mid-low end P&S digital. As demonstrated by the market taking off >essentially as soon as the Digital Rebel came within shouting distance >price-wise of the serious Prosumer Digitals (And that market isn't early >the cash cow it was two years ago, because of the advent of $800 DSLR's). > >Photography has been undergoing a massive upsurge in popularity since >affordable, decent P&S Digitals hit the market. And its the folks who >got in with the P&S cameras and now want to upgrade who are driving DSLR >sales, just like it was the folsk coming from P&S film cameras that >always drove the core of low-end SLR sales. The SLR user has typically >driven the high-end and mid-range sales, while the low-end are mostly >coming into teh SLR market. And this has not changed with Digital, >except the gapo in sales numbers is probably worse. > >Film SLR owners drove teh sales of the D100, 10d and *ist D, while >upgraders have driven the D70, Rebel, Rebel XT and *ist DS sales. >Cameras like the 20d are getting much of their sales from DSLR users >upgrading. Of course, the Pro bodies were driven by Pro's upgrading from >film, but now that's mostly driven by Pro's upgrading from older Digital >bodies for the increased image quality and speed of the new-generation >bodies like the Canon mkII's and the Nikon D2's. > >-Adam > > > >J. C. O'Connell wrote: > > > >>I don't understand your post. If your saying >>the pentax list isnt the source for your claims >>regarding DSLR buyers being first time SLR owners >>than what is your source of this information? >> >>I ask because I find it hard to believe that there >>are more DSLR buyers buying there first SLR than >>there are former SLR owners buying their first DSLR. >>jco >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:01 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: green button wars (again) >> >> >>this list is about as far from the buyers as you can possibly get. >> >>Herb.... >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:09 AM >>Subject: RE: green button wars (again) >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Lets see some proof/numbers to back it up dude! I didn't claim to >>>know for a fact but you seem to. How many people ON THIS LIST for >>>example bought a PENTAX DSLR for their very first SLR? ANYONE? EVEN >>>ONE PERSON? I would like to see a survey of DSLR owners of all brands >>>and see how many of them actually never owned a single SLR before >>>purchasing the DSLR. >>> >>> >>> >>>
