I am sorry but you certainly can not have been
reading or comprehending all my posts because
if you had read them you would know I was forced to say
it repeatedly, possibly for the third time
now, this is totally different than NIKON
OR CANON FD situations. 

With CANON FD- they
lost FD mounting because they totally updated
and substantially IMPROVED the entire mount to EOS -
That was more like the screw to K upgrade
but with much better upgrades than just 
mounting technique. With this pentax
situation there IS NO NEW MOUNT or NO NEW MOUNT
FEATURE which necessitated the drop of support
of K/M aperture setting communication like
FD>EOS DID.

With NIKON- THEY STILL SUPPORT those lenses
you mention for customers who want and are
willing to pay for it, that's much better
than Pentax because Pentax does NOT offer
it all at this time and might not ever offer
it again for all we know.

And I do listen. But I do not agree that all
opposing opinions are created equal because
responses like yours, which grossly overlooked
the REASONS behind the FD support changes vs this new pentax
change miss the point entirely. Its like we
are talking apples and organges because you
don't see the key difference between legacy
support whenever possible vs. compatibity
issues caused by the need for progress. There
is NO PROGRESS assocated with this pentax
change in policy, it's not even staying
the same, its pure regression...

JCO

-----Original Message-----
From: David Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)


JCO,

The thing that you seem unwilling to concede or admit is that these "legacy"
lenses CAN still be used, ARE still being used, and still take fine
pictures.

Your point about them doing away with the "metering coupler", or whatever
it's called, has been made already. Pentax chose to do away with it. For
whatever reason, they decided it was good enough. Maybe at some later date
the might put it back (I personally doubt it).

You say that you no longer trust Pentax because they abandoned 100%
compatibility with K & M lenses. That this marks a major shift in Pentax
policy. Fine. Buy a Canon and a stack of FD lenses. Oh wait, they wont even
fit on the current crop of SLR / DSLR's without the use of an adapter. OK
try Nikon and a bunch of AI & AI-S lenses. You can fit some of  them, but
you can't meter with them at all unless you spring for the top of the line
Nikon body. We Pentax users have it pretty good as far as I'm concerned.

Also, you keep hammering away at anyone who posts an opinion contrary to
your views. And your doing it in such a rude and aggressive way that any
credibility you had at the start has vanished. As the saying goes "You'll
catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Try backing off the
confrontational  tone and people will be more inclined to listen.

Dave

On 9/20/05, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> Secondly, the whole product support issue
> seems to be lost on you. Its not a simple
> matter of how many new units will or wont sell
> without a given part in it. It a matter
> of continued support of legacy products
> whenever possible within reasonable or
> no costs. And in my opinion, my strong
> opionion, it is NOT a reasonable decision
> to cripple the K/M lenses at this time
> because of this dirt cheap parts removal
> from a $600 plus camera unless there is
> another model that does support it and
> there isnt...
<snip>


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