Ok, I stand properly corrected. I posted the Nikon / Canon argument to
bait you, and true to form you bit, and bit hard.

And your right, I haven't been reading all your posts, but those I've
read I've understood just fine thank you.

I freely admit and agree with you, Pentax could / should have kept
meter coupling, it's a backward step in Pentax's history of backward
compatibility, and that the current "fix" is a bit dodgy. But either
I'm not stating my point clearly enough or your missing it. K & M
lenses can still be used to take photographs. And as someone more
interested in taking photos than the mechanics of cameras, that is all
I ask of any lens.

Calm down, take a deep breath and don't let us uninformed types get
you so worked up.

Dave

On 9/20/05, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am sorry but you certainly can not have been
> reading or comprehending all my posts because
> if you had read them you would know I was forced to say
> it repeatedly, possibly for the third time
> now, this is totally different than NIKON
> OR CANON FD situations.
> 
> With CANON FD- they
> lost FD mounting because they totally updated
> and substantially IMPROVED the entire mount to EOS -
> That was more like the screw to K upgrade
> but with much better upgrades than just
> mounting technique. With this pentax
> situation there IS NO NEW MOUNT or NO NEW MOUNT
> FEATURE which necessitated the drop of support
> of K/M aperture setting communication like
> FD>EOS DID.
> 
> With NIKON- THEY STILL SUPPORT those lenses
> you mention for customers who want and are
> willing to pay for it, that's much better
> than Pentax because Pentax does NOT offer
> it all at this time and might not ever offer
> it again for all we know.
> 
> And I do listen. But I do not agree that all
> opposing opinions are created equal because
> responses like yours, which grossly overlooked
> the REASONS behind the FD support changes vs this new pentax
> change miss the point entirely. Its like we
> are talking apples and organges because you
> don't see the key difference between legacy
> support whenever possible vs. compatibity
> issues caused by the need for progress. There
> is NO PROGRESS assocated with this pentax
> change in policy, it's not even staying
> the same, its pure regression...
> 
> JCO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:33 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)
> 
> 
> JCO,
> 
> The thing that you seem unwilling to concede or admit is that these "legacy"
> lenses CAN still be used, ARE still being used, and still take fine
> pictures.
> 
> Your point about them doing away with the "metering coupler", or whatever
> it's called, has been made already. Pentax chose to do away with it. For
> whatever reason, they decided it was good enough. Maybe at some later date
> the might put it back (I personally doubt it).
> 
> You say that you no longer trust Pentax because they abandoned 100%
> compatibility with K & M lenses. That this marks a major shift in Pentax
> policy. Fine. Buy a Canon and a stack of FD lenses. Oh wait, they wont even
> fit on the current crop of SLR / DSLR's without the use of an adapter. OK
> try Nikon and a bunch of AI & AI-S lenses. You can fit some of  them, but
> you can't meter with them at all unless you spring for the top of the line
> Nikon body. We Pentax users have it pretty good as far as I'm concerned.
> 
> Also, you keep hammering away at anyone who posts an opinion contrary to
> your views. And your doing it in such a rude and aggressive way that any
> credibility you had at the start has vanished. As the saying goes "You'll
> catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Try backing off the
> confrontational  tone and people will be more inclined to listen.
> 
> Dave

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