Hi Ken,
When a digital shot is successful right out of the camera, it's the camera 
that's getting it right. And that only works if you're shooting jpeg. The 
camera has pre-set parameters that try to come close to a correct rendering of 
the scene. When you shoot RAW, you have to set the parameters yourself. 
However, even when shooting jpegs, you can almost always improve on the 
camera's preselected parameters. It's not the same as shooting slide film. 
Paul


> > It's akin to choosing the correct film and exposing it accurately. The 
> > camera 
> is too dumb to do that perfectly, >and it can't read the photographer's mind.
> >Paul
> 
> I'll agree with Ann on this. When I adjust black/white point, its an 
> admission 
> that I've come up short as a photographer. Coming from my slide shooting 
> background, my goal is to get it right in the camera.
> 
> YMMV
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> 
> 
> 
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> Subject: Re: GESO: stuff from my bus/train trip
> 
> Hi Ann,
> I don't think anyone would say that adjusting black point in a digital image 
> is 
> manipulation. There's no such thing as a "pure" digital image. The camera is 
> manipulating the image according to preset parameters. The photographer 
> certainly can adjust those same parameters to achieve the vision he or she 
> had 
> hoped to record. In fact, I would say the photographer is obligated to fine 
> tune 
> a digital image. It's akin to choosing the correct film and exposing it 
> accurately. The camera is too dumb to do that perfectly, and it can't read 
> the 
> photographer's mind.
> Paul
> 
> 
> > Butch Black wrote:
> > > 
> > > Nice series Ann. I particularly liked bus stop in Redmond Ca. and morning
> > > coffee. 
> > 
> > Thanks, Butch - I like to hear which ones stand
> > out to different folk.
> > 
> > >I liked the space needle but think it could use a bit of contrast.
> > > Try using the black eyedropper on the needle if you are using PS, 
> > > Elements,
> > > or most of the other image editing programs.
> > > 
> > > Butch
> > 
> > 
> > hmmm I think that would fall under the heading of
> > manipulation and I
> > like not to do that... I see what you mean,
> > though,  but just barely.  
> > 
> > I use photoshop elements 2.0, for the record.
> > never used eyedropper tool.
> > 
> > ann
> > 
> 
> 
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