Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
> > It's akin to choosing the correct film and exposing it accurately. The 
> > camera is too dumb to do that perfectly, >and it can't read the 
> > photographer's mind.
> >Paul
> 
> I'll agree with Ann on this. When I adjust black/white point, its an 
> admission that I've come up short as a photographer. Coming from my slide 
> shooting background, my goal is to get it right in the camera.
> 
> YMMV
> 
> Kenneth Waller

Yup. 

Well, what I really meant to say to Butch, I
guess, is that it looks ok to me - conforming to
my 
memory of the scene...  and I do tend not to show
images unless I feel I got it right without
doing anything more radical than cropping,
shifting the overall color balance a tad, taking
out
specks of "dust" which may be specks of stuff that
exist in real life but are distracting. 

IF I had done the eye dropper thing though, would
I still be able to claim at photo.net that
the image was unmanipulated?  

ann

> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> Subject: Re: GESO: stuff from my bus/train trip
> 
> Hi Ann,
> I don't think anyone would say that adjusting black point in a digital image 
> is manipulation. There's no such thing as a "pure" digital image. The camera 
> is manipulating the image according to preset parameters. The photographer 
> certainly can adjust those same parameters to achieve the vision he or she 
> had hoped to record. In fact, I would say the photographer is obligated to 
> fine tune a digital image. It's akin to choosing the correct film and 
> exposing it accurately. The camera is too dumb to do that perfectly, and it 
> can't read the photographer's mind.
> Paul
> 
> > Butch Black wrote:
> > >
> > > Nice series Ann. I particularly liked bus stop in Redmond Ca. and morning
> > > coffee.
> >
> > Thanks, Butch - I like to hear which ones stand
> > out to different folk.
> >
> > >I liked the space needle but think it could use a bit of contrast.
> > > Try using the black eyedropper on the needle if you are using PS, 
> > > Elements,
> > > or most of the other image editing programs.
> > >
> > > Butch
> >
> >
> > hmmm I think that would fall under the heading of
> > manipulation and I
> > like not to do that... I see what you mean,
> > though,  but just barely.
> >
> > I use photoshop elements 2.0, for the record.
> > never used eyedropper tool.
> >
> > ann
> >
> 
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