On Wednesday, October 5, 2005, at 03:01  PM, Pål Jensen wrote:

Really? It is no secret that the japanese were good at copying after the war. Not only did they copy the germans but in the 60's and 70's they copied each other. It is also noteworthy that Nikon and Pentax are perhaps the two closest SLR manufacturers in "design philosophy". Minolta for instance is closer to Canon.

Regardless if you've heard of it or not, the Nikon F copied the Asahi Pentax in every detail but added interchangeable finders. In fact, most subsequent Nikons (and many other brands for that matter) interface was based on that very Pentax camera. Canon at the time had the winding lever at the bottom of the camera!

I was a camera repairman for a lot of years and I can assure you that the Nikon F is in no way copied from anything Asahi Optical ever made. They are quite different internally, and don't look at all alike externally. I think the Spotmatic is a much better design.

The only SLR camera ever built that was a clone of the Pentax Spotmatic was the Rollei SL35. Except for the placement of the light metering switch (which proved to be very troublesome on the Rollei) you could almost use parts from one to repair the other.

The Nikkormat was clearly Nikons Spotmatic. The EL was totally indentical to the Pentax ES in features and technology but released years after.

It may have had similar features, but the implementation is radically different. The Nikkormat uses a Copal Square shutter, just for starters.

The Nikon FE was identical of the Pentax K2.

Again, no.

The Nikon EM was a direct respons to the popularity of the Pentax ME but three years later.

That might be true, or the Nikon might just be a logical product of camera evolution. It takes more than three years to design a camera.

Incidentally, the LX and the F3 were released simultaneously but they are as similar one could with reason expect of two professional cameras for the time; they have the same features set but use different technical solutions.

My god, man, have you even seen these cameras??? About the only similarity is that both are 35mm SLRs.

In additions, Nikon have used many Pentax lens designs.

Proof?  This is the wildest sort of speculation.

The Pentax/Nikon relation isn't only about copying. Even today there are collaborations of some sort between the companies. The 11 point AF system layout in the latest Nikon AF system is in fact developed by Pentax and used in the *ist's (SAFOX8)(Nikon may have modified it but the AF sensor design of the system are totally identical).

Sure.......

This is according to Pentax engineers. Whether this is due to licensing or outsourcing is probably a business secret. Oh.. and the fact that both Pentax and Nikon use the same sensor in some DSLR's is probably not a coincidence either...


No, they both buy them from Sony.  Where does that lead us?  Nowhere.

You are making really amazingly ridiculous statements and equally wild assumptions about how the photo industry works.

Bob


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