Tom Reese wrote:
> 
> > I'm sure you would perceive that as OK however if I have a jet trail in the
> > midst of the sky of my otherwise pristine natural landscape I'm going to
> > consider cloning it out, it shouldn't be there and I can control it being 
> > there
> > except after the fact. Would you view this action as a contradiction WRT to 
> > the
> > concept of the nature photograph?
> 
> I wouldn't take the shot unless I could compose the picture to keep the jet 
> trail out of the frame. I'm a >purist and I would object to the cloning.

Although I'm shooting digital now, Tom, I agree
with out totally about this kind of thing.  I'm
getting to like digital, but it is rather out of
necessity.  The darkroom fumes make me ill, my
eyes
can't adjust to going back and forth from dark to
light to perceive when I've made a good print fast
enough, my back and shoulder have been broken in
such a way that the stuff I 'd need to do
physically in the darkroom to get prints just
hurts too much.  

And more than that, one digital camera with a
couple of gigs of card and batteries really has
saved me
money in the past year for just the information
photos I've taken to sell stuff on ebay.

I'm trying to sell stock, and digital is the way
the agencies are going.  But if I have to do more
in photoshop than crop, darken a bit or lighten a
bit - ad a but more saturation,etc, stuff I'd
done in the darkroom, I'd just dump the picture. 

I wish I still had the funds to shoot slides and
get my LX and KX cameras back in working order
and buy film and shoot slides... but after the
Kodak lab at Fairlawn closed, even when I still
shot slides the quality was never the same. 

> 
> FWIW, your picture wouldn't qualify as a nature print in our club and 
> interclub competitions.

And even with digital, a nature stock agency won't
take manipulated stuff... at least mine won't.

>That type of manipulation is against the rules. We do have separate digital 
>categories where that type of >manipulation is permitted.
> 
> Tom Reese
> 

I have to say that I don't even like the
introduction of props into the nature close-up
scene, no
matter how pretty they may end up.  

annsan
well, I'm a little grumpy tonight - achoo again

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