When a magazine's "whale advertisers" become their source of survival,
"Marketing" becomes their pimp and neutrality, their 
whore.

Forgive me?

Jack
--- Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 26, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
> 
> > http://www.uandimag.com
> >
> > No ads. One issue so far. Pretty good
> >
> > -Adam
> > Who knows the editor/publisher.
> 
> 
> The subject of ads in photo magazines comes up frequently, and often 
> 
> people commenting don't have a clue about the economics of magazine  
> publishing.
> 
> If you look at a photo magazine like Popular Photography, and you  
> figure out how much it costs them to mail it to you compare to how  
> much the subscription costs, you'll quickly see that there really  
> isn't any profit there.  Do the same with all the costs associated  
> with news stand distribution and you'll find very little in the way  
> of profit there.  Magazines make their money from ad sales.  Now if  
> you look at those magazines with very few or no ads you'll find one  
> thing in common, much higher cover price (and much higher  
> subscription price if they offer subscriptions).  So it's a choice  
> between reasonably low cover and sub price and lots of ads, or high  
> cover and sub price and few ads.
> 
> Magazines have two internal divisions, editorial and advertising,  
> often referred to in the business as church and state.  The best  
> magazines maintain a strong separation between the two, and don't let
>  
> the advertising department put pressure on the editorial people.   
> When I first entered the magazine business back in the 70s there was 
> 
> a "Berlin wall" between the two.  Our publisher didn't even like to  
> see us talking to each other.  That's the only way to maintain  
> freedom of speech for the editorial people.  Obviously, chinks were  
> driven in that wall over the years and at many magazines big holes  
> were drilled.  In some cases the wall was pulled down completely.   
> Readers are not stupid and when a glowing review of a product faces a
>  
> full page ad for the same product, something is seriously wrong.
> 
> Editorial and advertising have two different missions.  Editorial's  
> job is to inform and entertain the reader.  Advertising's job is to  
> sell readers to advertisers.  There is always, and should always, be 
> 
> a separation of these two functions.  I've watched over the years as 
> 
> the separation has eroded.  Today all but a handful of magazines are 
> 
> owned by giant corporations run by bankers and MBAs, not by  
> traditional publishers, and we have seen the result.  Bottom line
> fever.
> 
> I always wished I could find a wealthy benefactor so that I could  
> start and run a photography magazine that was not dependent on  
> advertising.  The only magazine like that was the old Swiss magazine 
> 
> Camera, run by Alan Porter.  It was published by a printing company  
> who used it as a showcase for their magnificent printing quality.   
> For those who know about such things, it was printed by sheet-fed  
> gravure.  The quality was stunning.  But, as with most such things,  
> it changed hands in the late 70s and the new people switched to  
> ordinary printing and the magazine just died.  I think it was the  
> finest photography magazine ever.
> 
> Sorry for this digression which may not interest some of you at all.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 



        
                
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