Thanks, Don. You reminded me that I did include with the returned lens a
copy of the emails authorizing the return, and which contained my
description of the problem. Here it is  

"Specifically, the contacts that send lens/aperture information to the
camera are not working. Hence, I have no metering available in any mode:
Program, Av or TV. It appears repairable".

I wasn't going to broadcast this previously, but the arrogance of today's
email was just too blatant to ignore. Guess you can't tell that I'm P.O.'d,
huh?!?

Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: The Decline of KEH? Long...

I've had good luck with KEH when the product I recieved was OK the
first time around.
The delays have been quite long the times I had to return an item
for refund or repair.
I have never experienced the problems you have though.
Perhaps it is because I've always sent a very detailed explanation
sealed inside the same plastic bag that contained the item, to
prevent it's loss or seperation from the item.
A duplicate copy was sent loose with the RMA information.
I work in the repair business and am painfully aware of the problems
encountered with even slight mis-understandings.
(Oh, so you DIDN'T want the hard drive formatted???) ;-)

My two local camera shops both have a KEH rep who stops and buys
their used stuff now, I assume KEH's stock has increased a great
deal. More stuff, more screw-ups. ;-(

Don


> -----Original Message-----
> From: william sawyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:06 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: 'Mark Cassino'; 'Kenneth Waller'; 'Paul Stenquist'
> Subject: The Decline of KEH? Long...
>
>
> I thought I'd come out of lurk mode to share the following story which
> greatly concerns me about our old favorite, KEH.  I have purchased several
> thousands of dollars worth of equipment from them over the past few years
> and until now, was deeply impressed with their integrity and service.
>
> I bought an A* 200mm F4 Macro lens on December 1. It was listed on their
> "In-Transit" page and I bought it within an hour of it appearing on the
> site.  $959.  They have my money.
>
> It arrived on December 6, and it didn't work. Specifically, it would not
> project aperture information to either my ist D nor my MZ-S. I
> assumed that
> the contacts were somehow defective, and after conferring with Paul
> Stenquist, Mark Cassino and Ken Waller, sent it back for repair. I sent an
> email explaining the problem and got the approval to return it. Several
> emails ensued, all explaining what the problem was. I received notice from
> UPS that it had been delivered a few days later. After waiting another two
> weeks without hearing from them, I emailed them for a status. I
> was told to
> write again in a week. I did. They waited another week before
> replying that
> it was due to be worked on last Thursday, and that I would have the lens
> this week.
>
> Well today, I came home to an email announcing that they "have received
> notice from our repair department that the reason your lens will
> not work in
> AF mode is because it is not an Auto Focus lens."  Duh.
>
> I've sent copies of the previous emails to remind them our earlier
> communications - that the problem was in the aperture contacts.
>
> They made what I think to be three errors: 1. They put an item up for sale
> without first testing it. 2. They didn't recheck the correspondence to
> confirm the problem.  3. They arrogantly presumed their customer
> was stupid.
>
> I've purchased two expensive lenses and two bodies from them, and this is
> the first whiff of a problem, so I hope it's just a fluke. But, it
> demonstrates to me that they may be losing touch with the
> fundamentals that
> made their reputation. It's been over a month now, with no lens in sight
>
> Bill Sawyer
> Livonia, MI
>
>
>



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