Mishka wrote:
On 2/17/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jens,
Fascism is a form of socialism.
nonsense. it's an opposite of socialism.
No, it's essentially Socialist. Socialism is a blanket term for a number
of somewhat related collectivist ideologies. You are probably defining
Socialism as Social Democracy, which is the moderate subset of
socialism. Fascism and National Socialism are distinctly opposed to
Communism on one axis (that of Nationalism, as Communism is explicitly
Internationalist, while Fascism and National Socialism are explicitly
Nationalist) but rather similar in many other aspects, especially in
implementation.
However, Stalin, who never had any contact with Fascists before acquiring power,
was certainly not a Fascist. He was a tyrant, and a communist, but far more the
former than the latter, and persecuted anyone who might challenge him or oppose
him
(including anyone who openly supported true marxist socialism, like
Trotsky).
trotsky has never been a socialist either. he was a communist, much more radical
and brutal than stalin.
Communism is a form of Socialism, more extreme than most, but they are
directly related. There's a reason that both Communist and Nationalist
Socialist groups use the term socialist so often. because they are,
although they are essentially antagonist in for to each other.
Fascism was invented by a communist newspaper editor by the name of
Benito Mussolini.
'Avanti' was a socialist newspaper.
man, the terms "communist" and "socialist" are not generally freely
interchangeable!
That's debatable. When Mussolini was editor, Avanti was a backer of the
Italian Communist Party, and espoused said parties policies, making it a
Communist paper. btw, your argument here supports the idea that Fascism
is a form of Socialism.
The only other Fascist leader to actually take power
was Franco in Spain, the term is used very inappropriately to describe
collectivist Nationalist dictatorships.
nazism and fascism have enough similarities. as well as falangism,
estado novo, etc, etc.
Similar, although I consider Falangism to be a direct relation to
Fascism, while National Socialism is at best a cousin born of similar roots.
Hugo Chavez in Venezuela today is drawing heavily from the NSDAP
playbook (Right down to forming his own version of the SA), albeit with
a more explicitly Internationalist Socialist ideology and a distinct
lack of racism (Anti-americanism is sufficing in replacement, but the
only real requirement of the tactic is a group that is either external
or isolated and generally disliked to blame all their woes on).
eh? what have you been smoking?
Just read enough history that I could predict Chavez's formation of
Committees to Preserve the Democratic Revolution, and his purchase of
arms for them (2 million AK-47's). It's a direct analog to the SA. I
never said Chavez was a Nazi (he's not, he's not nearly enough of a
Nationalist to be a Nazi, more of an Internationalist) but he's
certainly using their playbook as a guide, likely alongside the Little
Red Book.
-Adam
mishka
-Adam
