So far I've kept my head down in the PUG threads, but there's something I'd like to say.
People like to get comments on their pictures. Observe that ever since PESOs were introduced, they have harvested a lot more comments per image than have any PUG entry in the same period. No wonder the PUG has waned. What you guys are discussing are ways to make the PUG more interesting to people again. It's not gonna happen unless there is a community effort to make the images therein a topic of discussion! There used to be a small handful of devotees that commented on the whole PUG. We have made several attempts to ensure that all images in the PUG gets at least one comment. None of the plans worked out. Interest continued to wane. Unless someone can come up with a good incentive for photographers to actually contribute to the PUG, I'd say it's about time to let it die peacefully. Even good things have an end. sincerely, Jostein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: Re: PUG Challenge! > Tom, > > Having high quality photos in the PUG is a good idea. > Perhaps quality has declined since we went digital. > It is easier to make a casual post to the PUG now, > just resize and upload versus the process before. > > Somehow this doesn't square with the declining submissions. > I think the PUG suffers from too many PESO's. > Folks use this outlet instead of the PUG. > I would rather that they use the PUG because > the PESO comments are very disorganized. > They trickle in over days and weeks causing me to reload photos. > I can keep the PUG comments in one place and review at one time. > > I think it's admirable to talk about raising quality levels, but I > remember the PUG discussions 3-5 years ago about rating photos (NO!) > and I can imagine the uproar the idea of setting 2 or 3 judges up as > gatekeepers for the Gallery. It would go something like "Who the > hell > are these a**holes who are gonna tell me my picture is or isn't good > enough to be included." > > That's why I suggested a new gallery of The PDML's Best. Let folks > nominate photos to a best gallery. Those are my thoughts. > > And by the way, shouldn't we give folks like you who can walk out > their door to spectacular scenery a handicap in any kind of gallery > like this. You can only use jpegs or medium quality or something... > :-) Maybe Bill Robb can help here. > > Regards, Bob S. > > On 6/23/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >So Tom, >> >1) If you've got this thing for a Pentax Photo Contest Gallery, >> >why don't you start one? If people like it, the gallery will >> >grow. >> >I'll contribute, so would many others. >> >2) Please tell me what distinguished this gallery from all the >> >others >> >available to post your photos on across the web? >> >3) No matter how I slice this, it comes off like your trying to >> >kill the >> >PUG. >> >Regards, Bob S. >> >> Hi Bob, >> >> 1) I don't think anyone was suggesting a contest gallery, per se. >> There's a >> subtle differentiation. A contest involves winners and losers, >> usually a >> limited number of winners. What I believe has been suggested is >> that there >> be some criteria for making it into the gallery and that a select >> number of >> people would decide whether a photo was included or not. The >> number of >> inclusions could be unlimited. >> >> I find it interesting to contemplate that apparently some would not >> like >> others deciding whether their photo was 'good enough' to be in the >> gallery, >> but apparently wouldn't mind submitting a picture to the gallery >> that may be >> somewhat lacking, and then are willing to elicit negative comments >> or >> constructive criticism about said same photo. >> >> It goes back to asking what a gallery is. Is it a showcase or >> simply a >> photo sharing mechanism? >> >> I actually did think of starting one. My problem is I'm either so >> busy/lazy/procrastinating that I don't even have my own private >> gallery >> created even though I started on it 6 month ago. :-( >> >> 2) Having joined the PDML and having Pentax equipment, it was the >> first I >> came across. >> >> 3) I'm not trying to kill the PUG. I am however suggesting ideas >> to improve >> the quality of entries displayed. It boils down to this simple >> suggestion. >> If one just wants to share an interesting or fun picture, then by >> all means >> show the list with a PAW or PESO or GESO. If one thinks after >> careful >> consideration that they have a really good photo that is successful >> both >> technically and compositionally, then consider that one worthy of >> display in >> the gallery. >> >> As you can see I'm not jamming this down anyone's throats. I just >> haven't >> dropped it yet. :-) >> >> >> Tom C. >> >> >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
