Guess I was redundant in restating that I thought the un-manipulated
shot is about a C-.
I put up the shadowless version with not a lot of concern about the
scratch and dust spots. I did, however, quickly remove a couple of the
most distracting.
Had there been more detail in the background, I would, possibly, not
have added the shadow.

Jack

--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I gave a comparative response.  I didn't like the first one very much
> because I thought the manipulation looked very odd and fake.  The
> second looks much better.
> 
> You came across wanting a critique on the manipulation, rather than
> the picture as a whole.  You've already indicated that you are rather
> so-so on this one.
> 
> As to the second shot, I can see a line coming across from the left
> that looks like a film scratch.  There are a bunch of dust spots that
> should be cleaned up (boy I remember dealing with that from scans!).
> The image for me is medium - not great, but not a stinker.  If there
> were more detail to be had in the background...
> 
> -- 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Monday, July 10, 2006, 11:25:51 AM, you wrote:
> 
> JD> Bruce, I don't wish to try to talk you out of liking any of my
> shots,
> JD> but IMO the sun in itself adds absolutely nothing to the scene.
> Only
> JD> emphasizes the hole in the branches.
> 
> JD> Thanks for positive remarks, however.
> 
> JD> Jack
> 
> 
> JD> --- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> Personally, I like this version much better.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Best regards,
> >> Bruce
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Monday, July 10, 2006, 10:33:01 AM, you wrote:
> >> 
> >> JD> No. Manipulation (& Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
> >> 
> >> JD> OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
> >> 
> >> JD> Jack
> >> 
> >> JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=127
> >> 
> >> JD> --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> >My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of
> >> >> >manipulation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Jack
> >> >> > > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> 
> >> >> Manipulation = Integrity?
> >> >> 
> >> >> You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)
> >> >> 
> >> >> Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the
> manipulation
> >> >> too.  
> >> >> Certainly a moody image which I like.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Tom C.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
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