Douglas Newman wrote: > --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>The K10D is likely going to be similar in size to >>the D80, with build in between the D80 and D200. > > > The D80 (I have not paid much attention to it) is > similar in size to the D70? I can live with that.
Actually, it's notable smaller than the D70, essentially the same size as the D50 (differs by a few mm in each direction) > > The D70 feels like it is built fairly decently, if the > D80 is similar again that is OK though I doubt the D80 > will be any better built than an *ist DS/DL/K100 > series camera all of which seem pretty solid. Can't say either way, although I found the D70 to be better than the DL, about the same as the DS/ > > What I would really like to see is a metal body (for > no reason other than that I like the way it feels!) > and especially weather-sealing. I always feel a slight > bit of nervousness taking my 20D out in the rain even > though I know it can handle it... I never felt that > with the "sealed" Olympus E-1 (which was beautifully > built and had excellent ergonomics but a pathetically > bad Kodak sensor). > > << I'd expect the K10D to also be at least a bit > better, although likely not as good as a D50 or the > 20D. >> > > If it is, say, one stop worse than the 20D, I can live > with that since shake reduction makes up for it. > > Any worse than that and the difference would be big > enough for me to buy a K100D which should be very > similar in noise levels to the 20D. > > As for the D50, I know it is supposedly about the > lowest-noise camera out there, but I actually find its > noise more noticeable than the D70/D70s. The D70 has > VERY fine-grained noise which looks more like film > grain than thse noise from a lot of other digital > cameras. I shoot the D50. Noise is unnoticable at 800, at 1600 it leans more towards chroma noise, the D70 tends more to luminance noise, which is why it may be less objectionable although there's more of it. > > You can see the difference very clearly here: > http://digitalcamera.impress.co.jp/06_02/auth/toku1/index_iso.htm > > Of all the 6 MP Sony sensor cameras listed there, I > would say the D70 looks subjectively best. The D50, > the two Pentaxes, and the two Konica Minoltas all > appear to have LESS noise than the D70, but it is, to > stick with the grain metaphor, "larger" grain than the > D70's. > > I guess the technical way to say this would be that > the D70 appears to have more luminance noise but less > chroma noise than the others. Interestingly, this is > the approach Nikon took with the rather noisy D200 and > even noisier D2x which have virtually no chroma noise > at all but LOADS of luminance noise. > > Doug > The *istD had the best noise quality of all the cameras I've shot with extensively (D50, D70, *istD, 20D, 350D). Very film-like. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
