That's interesting about shooting loads of frames, with slight angle 
changes, of each subject. Depending on the subject, I might just get two 
off, or a roll.

If it's something like a tree - my submission to this month's PUG - in 
fact it was two frames. In retrospect I might have taken half a dozen 
more, but I viewed the scene through the lens, moving constantly until I 
was satisfied with what I was seeing, then bingo. Total time at tree: 30 
seconds. To be honest, I love landscapes, but actually loathe taking 
them: I should be sitting there on a little stool, medium format camera 
on a tripod, waiting patiently for the subtle light changes to come and 
go. In reality, I'm impatient and as soon as I see something, and I know 
it's what I want, I'll grab it. Handheld. To hell with it. I'll get bored 
waiting around - so if it isn't there, well, easy come easy go. Maybe 
another time.

With portraits it's a little different. For my own use, a dozen shots of 
a face, no problem. The face is constantly changing with all those 
muscles creating the most amazing expressions, some so slight that it 
isn't always possible to say why one shot looks better than another, 
when, for all intents and purposes, they are identical. If it's a client 
(part time portraits by word of mouth) I'll usually commit one roll per 
subject, per situation. So if it's someone draped over a bannister (!) 
then that's a roll, if she's then draped over a dining room table (!!!) 
that's another roll. I know some use LOTS more than this, but personally 
I see no point - in fact once I know I'm starting to repeat myself, I 
stop. In fact once I know I'm starting to repeat myself, I stop.

I admire wildlife shooters the most - they catch the most beautiful 
images, and what incredible patience to achieve those! Nature and 
close-up stuff, again lovely, but I just couldn't bring myself to put the 
camera on a tripod and hover over a flower with things like ringflash and 
all that malarkey. I can just about manage the patience to get the 70-200 
onto a monopod (ahh - quick release mech - bless it).

I know this lack of patience is probably ghastly to some, and years ago I 
would probably have agreed. I know where it's come from, what's happened. 
It's fifteen years of working in news. Everything has to be done very 
quickly, right away. If we go to a car factory, say, to get some shots of 
a new model production line or whatever, the PR people always say, 'shall 
we wander around first and then you can decide what you want to film?' I 
did this once, big mistake. Over the years I've accustomed myself to 
shooting it as soon as I see it, and so wasting 20 minutes touring an 
area that I will then have to come back and film means all the fabulous 
things I'm seeing for the first time, all the impact of the scene loses 
it's punch the second time around. I'd much rather go in tooled up and as 
soon as I see something - bosh, the tripod goes down, the tv camera 
slapped on, got it. (This is probably why I loathe tripods in stills - 
nice to get away from them in my own time.)

Sorry this has turned out a bit long - but if it helps one person to 
understand the way different people do things, then I'm happy. I always 
say that the main rule is that there are no rules. (Other side slapping 
sayings: Reply to hasty journalist who demands we must move quickly due 
to impending deadline -  "I only work at one speed: 'Excellent' " and 
reply to 'How's it looking, everything okay?' : "Every frame a Rembrandt, 
unless I've been on the beer the night before, in which case, every frame 
a Picasso..."

;-)

Interesting thread, Sheldon. Cheers.

Cotty

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