On 9/19/06 10:57 AM, "Godfrey DiGiorgi", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have owned and used several EVF cameras, including the A2 and R1
> (the two best EVF cameras around ... and which i still own and use).
> While I don't hold out much hope for an EVF of the quality required
> to replace a single lens reflex camera's viewfinder, they are useful
> cameras in their own right.
> 
> They are not SLR cameras, if only by definition. There is no mirror
> or beam splitter in the light path, the "reflex" part of single lens
> reflex.
> 
> If, however, you were to design a camera using a high quality EVF as
> an SLR replacement, you'd be throwing most of the advantages away by
> adopting any current SLR lens mount. You would be better off
> designing a new lens mount that allowed the rear of the lens to get
> as close to the sensor plane as possible and thereby allow more room
> for light path correcting elements so that the lens would be best
> optimized for a digital sensor, with as close to orthogonal light
> path as possible.
> 
> This implies a whole new line of lenses and a very different camera
> from anything we've seen to date. It would be interesting to see
> Pentax produce it as something separate from their SLR line, but I
> suspect it will take a lot to build something like this that is
> convincingly marketable. Sony is closest to it with the acquisition
> of Konica Minolta and the R1 in their portfolio already.
> 
> If such a camera were developed and of the appropriate quality spec
> on all counts, like the current R1 but with an interchangeable lens
> system and far better quality EVF/LCD, I would be interested in one.
> But I still don't see the design paradigm as competing with the DSLR
> design of today: it's more complement than compete with different
> strengths and weaknesses. The major advantages of an all-electronic
> imaging system are the possibility of highly corrected lenses for the
> digital sensor, less vibration through the lack of a moving mirror,
> and a very flexible viewfinder positioning system to handle all kinds
> of situations where the fixed geometry of SLRs' optical viewfinder
> system can get in the way.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 19, 2006, at 6:34 AM, Takeshita K wrote:
> 
>>> Nice how the lack of a reflex mirrorbox thins out the M8.
>> 
>> Not wishing to stir up any controversy, but above begs another
>> question.
>> I wonder what other folks think about EVF which will eliminate the
>> mirror box, and give lens designers a tremendous freedom in designing
>> SLR lenses, particularly wider angle ones.  It will also eliminate
>> the "ugly" gables from the top of traditional SLRs, giving all sorts
>> of freedom in body design too.
>> Yes, I understand all the arguments that the optical view finder is
>> the essence of SLR and so forth (SLRs are often judged by their
>> viewfinder performance).
>> However, I once peeped through an EVF of one of the K/M models
>> (DiMage A2 or A200 or some such) and was surprised to find how clear
>> the image was (I know the poor EVF's of many P&S digicams which are
>> only useful for the composition).
>> But if the resolution is at least 1mp and the refresh rate is fast
>> enough, I would be very interested in it. It can be a 100% view area,
>> brighter (it could even be illuminated under certain conditions), and
>> give all sorts of creative options such as instant magnification
>> etc.  Most of all, it is going to give a live view in SLRs.
>> 
>> Maybe Pentax might be the first one to adopt a superior EVF for
>> K1D ;-).  Then again, they are still too conservative in adopting too
>> radical a feature as a pioneer, unlike their past.

I agree with your points and your comments are at least rational.  Any DSLR
with EVF will have a complete new design of body/lens, but that was my whole
point.  It would essentially be a digital rangefinder but with TTL finder
capability and exchangeable lenses.  More compact and I believe it is even
more suitable for the digital lens design.  But as you say, it might be a
fantasy, but then, my prediction (!?) would be that EVF will become the fact
of life down the road.  Maybe not :-).

Ken


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