>From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Sadly, not living in an area of great natural beauty like your good self,
>it's very easy to travel a very short distance and see such images which
>would easily become photos. What we have here is a photographic conflict of
>interest. You've also raised this in part in earlier posts this year in the
>quality of images submitted to the PUG.
>
>I've submitted very few images in the last twelve months directly as a
>result of the comments surrounding PUG and other submissions here. Most of
>the submissions are of a very high standard -  well beyond competition for 
>a
>mediocre photographer like myself - and the constant 'raising of the bar'
>makes it very difficult not to compete, but to find a place for those of a
>lower standard to discuss what's gone right and what's gone wrong with a
>particular shot - perhaps this no longer exists or is welcome here.
>

Hi Malcolm,

I think all levels of photographers should contribute, as I said back then 
as well.  I personally find the list to be largely self-congratulatory.  In 
other words the vast majority of shots are praised whether they possess 
merit or not.  While I don't believe the photographer should be denigrated 
for what might be considered generally a poor shot by most, neither does 
*apparently* thoughtless random commendaion help them improve. It also tends 
to make the commendation for good shots less meaningful.

I probably came across too strongly, and apologize. Of course the list is 
used by a wide variety of people and for different purposes.  As you can 
see, I use it as an outlet as opposed to kicking my dog. ;-)

>As regards the stinking street shots, in an age where the camera is
>increasingly being viewed the same way as a weapon and treated accordingly,
>I find it fascinating how photographers are still taking pictures, often
>very good ones and I often wonder if the image as a reflection of society 
>is
>the problem, rather than the technical aspects of the picture itself.
>
>Malcolm

Yeah, I shouldn't have said that.  Most (not all) street photography that I 
see is to my liking.  I've seen lots of pictures of homeless people (not 
that they define street photography in any way).  While their situation is 
often deplorable, I don't find that a poignant subject necessarily makes the 
photograph good, just as an adorable kitten does not, and just as a 
beautiful vista does not.

Tom C.



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