Based on known historical climates, yes. Depending on how fast it warms 
up, we can wait 10-50 years before it's a real issue.

Remember, grain was once a cash crop in Greenland.

-Adam


Tim Øsleby wrote:
> I think we can agree on that the scientific prognoses on this topic are
> unsure. Politics is one factor. The lack of data is another. 
> 
> The question is, can we afford to wait? 
> 
> 
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam
> Maas
> Sent: 24. desember 2006 21:39
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
> 
> Steve Farnham wrote:
>>  
>>>> Apparently man can't adversely affect the
>> environment. Didn't you know
>>>> the recent rises in global temperature are all
>> natural phenomenon?
>>>>  
>>  
>>> There is something to be said for this theory as
>> well.
>>> Both sides of the debate have political motivations,
>>> I don't trust either 
>>> side to be honest.
>>  
>>> William Robb 
>>
>> Non-scientists have opinions all over the map, and
>> many of them are politically motivated.
>>
>> Climatologists, that is scientists who have spent
>> years learning the underlying science and more years
>> studying the climate by actually going out and
>> measuring things, and in general are not political,
>> pretty much agree that mankind has contributed to
>> global climactic change and that the change may become
>> irreversable in the near future.  What disagreement
>> exists amoung climatologists is more to do with timing
>> than anything else.
>>
>> So, people who don't know what they're talking about
>> claim that the people who do know what they're talking
>> about are mostly wrong.  What does that tell you?
>>
>> Steve Farnham
>>
>>
> 
> Actually, there's a reasonable amount of dispute among the experts as 
> well. And it's a fairly politically-influenced area of study.
> 
> Until someone comes up with a very fine-grained model of the climate 
> which regresses properly, this will be in dispute. The current models 
> have distinct issues (Either regression, or cell sizes significantly 
> larger than certain improtant microclimates like Panama [which has three 
> seperate climatic regions within an area smaller than the typical cell 
> size for a computer climate model).
> 
> There's a fair bit of data to suggest human influence. There's also a 
> fair bit which suggests it's minimal. And nobody has a good solar 
> radiation model (We've only got around 30 years of good data for that, 
> far too small a sample for good predictions given what we know of solar 
> output cycles). That issue may take hundreds of years to resolve, as we 
> know there are certain solar output cycles that are in the several 
> hundred year range (like the Maunder Minimum).
> 
> -Adam
> 


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