Dan,
I think Ken and Tim are on he right track.
This is a Pentax list with long standing membership.
These are people (friends) from other countries.
I've come to value their opinions in photography,
and listen to their opinions in other things.
It gives me a better perspective on how the rest of the world sees issues.
I don't want flame wars, but a well stated point of view without
the SCREAMING and SHOUTING is educational and worth reading.
If your friends can't tell you that your baby is ugly, who will?
Regards,  Bob S.

On 1/12/07, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel. This is a photo equipment (and photo?) list, yes.
>
> But it is also a list with pretty strong social bonds. Me as an example has
> met several interesting list members in real life. On those occasions we
> have had interesting photo talks, but also interesting talks about other
> topics, about life in general. So, those people mean something to me. Others
> have I not met in person, but I have had interesting talks with them too.
>
> Those relations grows don't come by themselves. They come because we invest
> in the social list life. Some of us shares bits and pieces of our non photo
> personality and life. Shel as an example has shared his dedication towards
> chocolate. Because of this and him sharing bits from Casa Belinkoff I kind
> of know him.
>
> I'm not saying that we all have to share our off list life, and discuss
> other topics. No.
> But personally I like it the way it is. Despite the occasional flame wars.
>
> I find some of them unpleasant, yes. I have even made some unsuccessful
> attempts to negotiate ;-)
> But, I think the unpleasant ones have a function too. Because after a fight,
> we usually make friends again. So, in an odd way, a flame war is bonding
> too. And bonding is a good thing IMO. If you dislike the bonding, simply
> don't bond, is my advice.
>
> I'm not saying ugly flame wars are a good thing, but they are not all bad,
> if you get the idea.
>
> Just my 0,02 Nkr.
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Daniel J. Matyola
> Sent: 12. januar 2007 15:32
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
>
> Well, I don't dring hot chocolate, just coffee, and mostly fair trade
> at that.  I just think that pushing political and social agendas on a
> photography forum is a misuse of the forum and eventually will lead to
> more flame wars.  Just my opinion.  YMMV
>
> On 1/12/07, Otis C. Wright, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And what have you been putting in your Hot Choclate.
> >
> > Otis Wright
> >
> > Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >
> > >This is a photography forum.  Let's not each be pushing our pet
> > >politiclal/social causes and brand names.
> > >
> > >Dan M
> > >
> > >
> > >
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