Mark Dalal wrote:

> Daylight handheld
> reportedly needs to be done at shutter speeds of 1/250th and above. I've not
> verified this as I just don't have film to waste.

I have no trouble hand-holding my 67.  What does that mean, exactly? 
Well, I just made a 20x24 of a 67 neg I shot at 1/125 at f4, handheld,
and the only sharpness lost is because of depth of field.  I have made
excellent 8x10s of negs I've shot handheld at 1/60, though I imagine
that blown up to 20x24 I'd see some shake.  1/30 I find hit-or-miss, so
when shooting low-light with the 67, I prefer to use a monopod.  I can
get better results handholding 1/30 by using the mirror lock, which I
find quite conveniently placed when shooting horizontally (but for
verticals it can be a pain).

If anyone's interested, I have some scans from a 67 slide that I shot at
1/60 f2.4 handheld, no mirrorlock.  I can put together an overall and a
magnified section (trust me, you don't want to see the whole scan at
full resolution...it's 250 megs).  It is sharp.  Not as sharp as it
would have been on a tripod, but sharp enough that the 8x10 I printed
looks tack sharp, and I don't see the softness until I size it to 11x14
or so.

I bought a Pentax 67 for a few reasons:

- I was already a big fan of Pentax SMC
- it was the biggest-negative camera that I could conceivably run around with
- I'm a big fan of changeable finders

I looked long and hard at the Pentax 645n (and a couple of other 645s,
I'll admit), but the 67 called to me.  I like the handling, the size,
the shape, and most of all the simplicity.

I did just recommend the 645n to a friend, because he owns an MZ-5n and
is very happy with its controls and layout...and the 645n is basically a
giant MZ-5n (and the old 645 is basically a giant ME Super).  The 67 is
basically a giant K1000, unless you get it with a non-metering prism
(like I did), in which case it is a giant K1000 with no meter.

He got his 645n, and it really is quite glorious, and if I were looking
for another system to be into, Pentax 645 would be it.  But having just
sacrificed one of the three systems I was running in order to better one
of the other two, I think a third system would be a foolish investment. 
For the record, I sold my 4x5 to finance more 67 lenses and
accessories...which makes me now a 100% Pentaxer!  Other than this one
Sigma lens.  But all the systems are Pentax!

Back to 67 vs. 645: the weight issue is a biggie.  The 67 is heavy.  I
carry it in a LowePro Minitrekker, and on its own I don't notice it, but
add some accessories (or my laptop, which is a stupidly heavy
combination that too often ends up in my bag) and I really start to feel
the weight on my shoulders after an hour or so of walking around.  If
hiking with it, I prefer to put the 67 on a monopod and treat it like a
really heavy walking stick.  When street shooting with it, I put it on
one of those weight-distributing neoprene shoulder straps, which also
helps, but again, it hits me after maybe an hour that I'm carrying
something really heavy.

Also, with heavy use I began to find my hands cramping where my thumb
attaches -- the weight of the film advance and, on the other hand, the
weight of the mirrorbox when focussing, both really impact on your poor
thumbs.  My
kinesiologist-physiotherapist-soon-to-be-chiropractor-and-acupuncturist-fianc�e
gave me some stretching exercises to do before going shooting, which
have helped immensely (which I'll share with any 67 users experiencing
the same problems).  Now I just have the problem when I forget to stretch.

The 645, having a motor drive, obviously doesn't have that problem.  It
is also a quicker camera to 'grab' a shot with.  The 67 can be speedy,
too, with practice, but I find that the nature of the camera makes me
shoot less, but take more time getting the shot.

I think the weight is really the big issue.  Go pick one up and feel the
weight.  If it doesn't bother you, the big neg is really worth it.

I agree with Paal's assessment that the 645n system is a good
replacement for 35mm.  Until the MZ-S came about, I was convinced that
I'd buy a 645n before I'd buy a new 35mm body.  Now I'm waffling again,
but I decided to ignore that decision by spending my money on tricking
out my 67 instead.

I love my 67.

-Aaron
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