Yeah, I am looking into that as well as Lightroom, I have until the end of April to get Lr for the reduced cost. Thanks.
Russ On 4/8/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russ, > I'm no expert, but > Photoshop Elements 4.0 will get you what you need for under $100. > Regards, Bob S. > > On 4/4/07, Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yeah, I am working in iPhoto. I have only been using it since my > > Lightroom beta expired, and really, this is the first image that I > > have processed with it. (And with only one image done, I can already > > see the huge limitations.) > > > > Russ > > > > On 4/4/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The land is still muddy. You need to treat the midtones independently > > > of the highlights. You can do that with the shadow/highlight tool or > > > with curves if you're working in PhotoShop. > > > Paul > > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Russell Kerstetter wrote: > > > > > > > Here is a new, brighter version. It is still a little dark, but much > > > > more than this and the clouds are just a white mess. > > > > > > > > http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/spare.html > > > > > > > > Thanks again to those who commented. > > > > > > > > Russ > > > > > > > > On 4/2/07, Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Shel and Godders- > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for taking the time to show me some alternative solutions. I > > > >> like both of your different takes, I also like that you were able to > > > >> brighten the whole thing up without losing the cloud detail. I > > > >> fiddled around for a while this evening, but was not able to > > > >> duplicate > > > >> our results. I can brighten it up some, but by the time I start to > > > >> lose cloud detail the water in the lake is still too dark. But that > > > >> may be the price I have to pay for using free software :) So I will > > > >> have to mess around with this some more again tomorrow evening and > > > >> see > > > >> what I can come up with. Thanks again. > > > >> > > > >> Russ > > > >> > > > >> On 4/2/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> Your original was rendered extremely dark, Russell. It's a simple > > > >>> landscape scene ... rendered up with a bit bit of balancing between > > > >>> water and sky, you get this rather nice, rather serene feel out of > > > >>> it. I took the liberty of doing a couple of edits to give you an > > > >>> idea > > > >>> where I'd go with it... It includes your original so you can see the > > > >>> differences easily. > > > >>> > > > >>> http://homepage.mac.com/godders/rk2882/ > > > >>> > > > >>> This is a case where if I was using Lightroom I could likely do most > > > >>> of what I did with its tools, and presuming I had the RAW file to > > > >>> work with, but with just an 8bit image file to work with Photoshop > > > >>> allows the kind of gentle, selective editing required to bring > > > >>> this up. > > > >>> > > > >>> 1- Don't underexpose. Determine where the brightest elements are > > > >>> that > > > >>> you want to retain detail in and expose correctly for that ... > > > >>> Placing exposure properly like that takes a little time to figure > > > >>> out > > > >>> and if you're not sure you should bracket exposure around it. The > > > >>> histogram shows you an approximation based on values in the JPEG > > > >>> preview that is rendered for every file, but if you're capturing in > > > >>> RAW you can work with what looks like a little bit of highlight > > > >>> overexposures on the histogram. It's not rigorously calibrated, you > > > >>> have to work with it to understand what you're seeing. > > > >>> > > > >>> 2- Yes, this is a problem. Your screen looks overly bright compared > > > >>> to the ambient light and that's tricking your eye. Better to > > > >>> calibrate and profile the screen in modest, normal room light and > > > >>> work that way so that your eyes and the screen are at proper > > > >>> luminance values. I calibrate my screen for 140 lumens, gamma 1.8 > > > >>> and > > > >>> 5500K white point in normal, indirect room illumination. Move any > > > >>> light that glares on the screen to a different position so that's > > > >>> not > > > >>> a problem. This will make a huge difference in how your photos > > > >>> come out. > > > >>> > > > >>> Godfrey > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Apr 2, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Thanks Bruce, PJ, Paul, Markus Shel and Brian for being honest. > > > >>>> When > > > >>>> I look at it objectively, I agree that it is mostly an > > > >>>> uninteresting > > > >>>> picture. Maybe next time I will try the 'Auto Compose' function > > > >>>> on my > > > >>>> DL. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I have been told several times, that my pictures are too dark. > > > >>>> To be > > > >>>> clear, we are talking a few stops dark, but not black or > > > >>>> anything like > > > >>>> that, right? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I think there are two issues here (if anyone cares to comment > > > >>>> further): > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 1) Foremost, I think I have a tendency to underexpose, > > > >>>> specifically > > > >>>> on shots like this. I really like detail in the clouds and am > > > >>>> afraid > > > >>>> of losing it even when the clouds are not the most important > > > >>>> aspect of > > > >>>> the picture. IIRC the histogram for this shot had the highlights > > > >>>> touching the first bar from the right (which is a half-stop right?) > > > >>>> but I think that what you are seeing on your screen is probably > > > >>>> darker > > > >>>> than just a half-stop. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 2) I usually work in a dark room because I hate glare off the > > > >>>> screen. > > > >>>> I have been running my mac on gamma 1.8 instead of 2.2, but from > > > >>>> what > > > >>>> I am hearing I think that is a negligible part of my problem. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Russ > > > >>>> (here to learn) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On 4/1/07, Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>>>> This is a reservoir/lake near my mother-in-law's house. Also > > > >>>>> this is > > > >>>>> the first photo I have processed with iPhoto. 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