Interesting, I think this is where we differ. I believe this is a monopoly and anti-trust situation.
They have created their monopoly effectively stopping small movie companies having any chance of breaking into the high street cinemas and dvd retailers and threaten their dominance, they then exploit this market position to the detriment of almost everyone. While i do not have a problem with companies protecting their IP through anti copy and scrambling technology, or making a fair profit for their shareholders. I do object to companies abusing their massively dominant market position, using techniques like region coding to artificially create a market and rip-off the public. I can see no justification for our DVDs being more than twice the price of yours other than pure greed. Drew. J. C. O'Connell wrote: > I am surprised a photographer would make > such an arguement. IT"S THEIR PROPERTY (work). > They have the right to issue it wherever > and whenever they want, and to do it > to maximize profits (if any) is not > only their right, it would be "wrong" > to force them to do it any way they > dont want to do it. Its not a monopoly > or anti-trust situation. > jco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > drew > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:47 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT - for those of you who haveDVD equipthat can playPAL > systemDVD's > > > > > > J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> WRONG >> region coding is not just "rigging" the market, > > RIGHT, So it is partly for rigging the market then? > > >> it allows DVDs to be released a specific >> time after the theatrical release regardless >> of the regional timing. If there was >> no regional coding, the USA would have to >> wait much longer for the "global" DVD >> to be issued because in general many USA >> marketed films are run later on other regions >> and would need to be "globally first run out" before >> a "global" DVD could be issued. By issuing a region >> 1 DVD only, it can come out much sooner. >> jco > > > And pray tell, what purpose does delaying the theatrical release around > the world do for anyone outside the 'first release' area? Nothing at > all! all it does is allow the film companies to maximize profits by > shipping the same used film reels around the world after the movie > closes in the states (the reason given by the movie companies for the > staggered cinema release is the economics of producing film reels). > > Would you have the same attitude if the region coding were on a state by > > state basis and you had to wait a year to buy a DVD in your state > because the movie company shipped the same film reels from state to > state, then go through the full PPV, rental and movie channel procedure, > > and then when you did get to purchase the DVD it was twice the price as > the shop just over the state line because the film company feel that > persons on your state can 'stand' a higher cost without complaining? I > rather suspect there would be riots if they tried this, yet they do > exactly this on a world wide basis. > > Given that cinemas around the world are converting to digital > projection, hence removing the whole argument for the staggered > worldwide release policy (digital cinemas generally download the movies > or get an HD DVD), do you think the movie companies will release their > stranglehold on the world wide movie price fixing system? because I > would bet everything I have that they will not. > > Drew. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of >> drew >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:39 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: OT - for those of you who have DVD equipthat can playPAL >> systemDVD's >> >> >> <rant mode on> >> Many of us folks in the UK that care about the region coding feel it > is >> a cynical attempt to make us pay extortionate prices and control the >> market instead of allowing a competitive market to develop. For >> example, the movie Eragon has recently been release here, the MRP is > 23 >> pounds, that is more than 45 bucks! Without region coding, I believe > our >> high street prices would be comparable to US prices. >> >> Fortunately region free players are readily available here, especially > >> on the cheap units http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yayef hence a large >> number of on-line stores sell region 1 DVD's at a huge discount from >> high street stores. The region 1 version of Eragon imported from the > US >> costs 13 pounds, just a bit more reasonable! >> Sadly, it seems the average punter just pays the rip-off price in the >> high street and perpetuates the situation. >> >> IMHO region coding is an immoral attempt to rig the market, and > control >> the control it with an iron fist. >> <rant mode off> >> >> Cheers, Andy. >> >> >> >> >> >> ann sanfedele wrote: >>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>> >>>> Ann, >>>> >>>> I have time to watch about one-three hour's worth of television a >>>> week, aside from 15 minutes of news and weather while I'm cooking >>>> breakfast. TMC, TCM, Discovery, etc might be nice but paying for > more >>>> than basic extended cable service (already $50/month, $600 a year) >>>> seems insane ... most of the cable channels worth watching require a >>>> digital cable interface box and can only be had with a 10-channel >>>> service pack additional, which would double the yearly cost. >>>> >>> Mine costs $90 including high speed internet, digital stuff, etc -- > it >>> would cost more but >>> I have a package that doesnt include espn or bravo. >>> >>>> At $9 to $15 per DVD, $300-600 a year is a LOT of good movies that I >>>> can buy and reuse whenever I feel like it rather than wait for when > >>>> the various cable channels choose to show them and hope that I have > >>>> the time at that moment to watch. And ... no commercials, no editing >>>> for television format, extra material on the higher end DVDs about >>>> the series, better quality, etc. >>>> >>>> "200 channels and nothing to watch" is a perfect description of most >>>> of what I see on television. >>>> >>>> I do go to the movie theater, primarily for good indies but also for >>>> a lot of the better big bux films. There is a huge difference in the >>>> presentation of a movie on a big screen in the theater compared to >>>> watching that same show on a television screen, though more for some >>>> than for others. I go to the theater when other people generally >>>> don't in order to avoid children and obnoxious crowds. It's > expensive >>>> but worth it to me. >>>> >>> Expensive is key word -- even senior it is $7.00 or $7.50 in NY... >>> then you watch 20 minutes of >>> promos that are so loud that I have to stand outside the door to the >>> theatre until they are over... >>> and...well, there is this other problem I have that makes it at the >> very >>> least distracting to sit through >>> an entire movie -- at home I can get up every 30 minutes without >>> missing anything. >>> >>>> Felipe does watch the occasional broadcast barfola from time to > time, >>>> like "America's Next Top Model". Gag me. He keeps me updated on >>>> modern culture, whatever that might be. ;-) >>>> >>>> I would rather process and scan film. It's tedious but much more >>>> enjoyable. >>>> >>>> Godfrey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I can't do much of any one thing for very long - even working on >>> photos.... I really do think >>> I may have ADHD. >>> >>> ann >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
