Kippling is out of style, but if you think any of this is new you should 
go back and read some of his poetry, start with Tommy.

John Sessoms wrote:
>> From:,"P. J. Alling"
>>
>> Robb, that's damn near the stupidest thing you have ever said.
>>
>> William Robb wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sorenson"
>> Subject: Re: Bouncer  
>>     
>>> I wish more Americans felt this way instead of acting like sheep every
>>> time someone takes a crack at eroding more of our civil liberties.     
>>>       
>> The first step is to stop revering your war veterans as if they are 
>> some sort of heros.
>> They aren't heros.
>> What this reverence does is give you a national tendency to do what 
>> the military (by extension what you call the "commander in chief", I 
>> believe) tells you to do without question, and to follow the 
>> directives of anyone who puts on a uniform.
>>
>> William Robb
>>     
>
> I don't know that I'd consider veterans heroes just for being veterans.
>
> I'm a veteran, and certainly don't consider myself a hero just because 
> of it. Veterans deserve a certain amount of respect for having served, 
> especially since we've gone over to the all volunteer military. It don't 
> make 'em heroes, and it don't make 'em perfect. Some unquestionably are 
> heroes and should be honored for their heroism, but I had 31 years of 
> quiet, boring service, and one year of somewhat aggravating hardship. It 
> was hard work, and it changed my life, but it was nowhere near heroic.
>
> In all honesty though, most American's commitment to *support our 
> troops* is all of 6 inches high, 3 inches wide and maybe a half 
> millimeter thick ... and won't scratch the paint on the trunk (boot) of 
> their gas-guzzlin' SUV.
>
> And William's right about our current "commander in chief"; and by 
> extension, those high ranking officers who have put their own careers 
> ahead of their duty to the nation and to their soldiers. We swore our 
> oaths to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we promised to 
> protect that Constitution from ALL enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign.
>
> In the US, it's a tradition that General Officers stay out of politics 
> while they're in uniform. But a whole lot more of them should have 
> resigned and spoken out against the follies of the current "war" on 
> terror. The worst of them are the "commanders" who had doubts then, who 
> knew Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, who knew there were no reasons to 
> invade Iraq, who knew the "plans" were not just inadequate, but 
> negligently incompetent ... who went along anyway, and *NOW* have 
> retired and write their tell-all auto-biographies shifting the blame to 
> anybody and everybody but themselves, when they were the ones who could 
> have stood up, acted on principal and made a difference.
>
> But the biggest problem is the politicians who've wrapped themselves in 
> the mantle of honor due to the soldier for his service, and conflated 
> support for those who serve with unquestioning loyalty and obedience to 
> "The Leader".
>
> Try translating that one into German!
>
>
>   


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