I apologize for the typos. This post should read: Where are you getting this? I never said that B&H, or anyone else, should be "denied the means of subsistence." Again, all I said is that I choose not to support them. Like some who choose to take a stand for the environment, or for politician so and so, or for proposition x-y-z, I choose to take a stand for Christ.
I am well aware of Red China's doings, and, no, you will find very, very little in my house that has the "Made in China" designation. Again, I do what I could. What do you do? What type of research have you undertaken? Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Tom C wrote: > I'm not going to carry on a public debate with you either, other to > point out that your stance clearly contradicts the spirit of being > Christian. > > Romans 5:8 - 'but God shows his love for us in that while we were > still sinners, Christ died for us.' > > Mark 12:31 - 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' > > Clearly the belief that someone should be denied the means of > subsistence based on their beliefs is unchristian. > > I'd point out that 'Our Beloved Wal-Mart' as well as just about > every retail establishment in this country is supporting a godless > Red China - yet you no doubt support their economy through your > purchases. > > Tom C. > >> From: Glen Tortorella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) >> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0400 >> >> I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has >> arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to >> patronize B&H. Likewise, I should not have to defend my decision not >> to patronize them. >> >> However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not corroborate >> your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in >> isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose Christ and >> His Church has nothing to do with "making friends." Christ came to >> reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for >> those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to >> listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the world, i.e. >> to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is >> precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to >> the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned >> three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), >> contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. >> >> Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine >> Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us >> search there for Our Lord's edifying words: "Do not think that I am >> come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but >> the sword" (Mt 10:34), "He who is not with me, is against me: and he >> that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30)," and "Every plant >> which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up" (Mt >> 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the >> Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common man. >> >> Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, >> and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity in their >> doctrines or deeds. >> >> Glen >> >> On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: >> >> > I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not >> > even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. >> > >> > “ >> > He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain >> > on the righteous and the unrighteous” (Matt. 5:45). >> > >> > To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of making >> friends. >> > >> > Tom C. >> > >> > >> > >> >> From: Glen Tortorella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) >> >> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 >> >> >> >> I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made note >> of the >> >> subject, I will explain my position with regard to B&H. >> >> >> >> I am familiar with B&H's reputation for customer service. My >> >> avoidance of B&H et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice stemming >> >> from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based >> businesses. My >> >> avoidance of businesses such as B&H is founded strictly upon my >> >> religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support >> those whom >> >> I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes Our >> >> Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. >> The >> >> Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His Blessed >> >> Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid >> supporting >> >> those who honor the Talmud. >> >> >> >> I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or >> >> activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as >> >> much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that >> fund >> >> Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including >> >> euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I am >> opposed >> >> to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, "as >> >> much as possible" here so as to highlight the realities of any >> >> boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in >> >> these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to >> >> information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. >> Antoninus >> >> Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. >> One >> >> must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and immorality >> >> have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson & Johnson (a pro- >> abort >> >> firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic >> products, >> >> some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of which >> >> one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson & >> >> Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically >> >> possible--what Orsini and others call a "virtual boycott"--and I >> >> leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. >> >> >> >> Glen >> >> >> >> On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: >> >> >> >> > Glen Tortorella wrote: >> >> >> Thank you, Adam... >> >> >> >> >> >> Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? I just >> >> want >> >> >> to make sure of this. >> >> >> >> >> >> Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of >> >> stock on >> >> >> the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know the >> R280 is >> >> >> probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the popular >> >> New >> >> >> York camera stores (B&H, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather not >> >> >> purchase it from these stores. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > FWIW, B&H is wonderful to do business with. I've spent more >> than I >> >> > should have with them over the last few years and have received >> >> > nothing >> >> > but good service. Every order has been correct, shipping has >> been >> >> > within a day or two of placing the order, and the one time I >> had a >> >> > question for them they replied very promptly with the >> information I >> >> > requested. You really can't go wrong with B&H. I've had the >> same >> >> > sort >> >> > of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo >> >> related >> >> > from the guys in New Yawk. B&H has the R280 in stock at the >> same >> >> > price >> >> > as Newegg. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Scott Loveless >> >> > http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly >> above >> >> > and follow the directions. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> >> and follow the directions. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > [email protected] >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> > and follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow the directions. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
