Religion is not a matter of reason. Religious people often use the tactic you've used below, which Daniel Dennett has described as playing tennis with the net down for one player. On one side the religious appeal to faith, which is by definition irrational. Yet when the irreligious mock them, they demand 'reason and discernment'! Har! I wish you a harvest of turds, my bigoted chum!
-- Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Glen Tortorella > Sent: 10 October 2007 23:41 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) > > Reading what has been written already, I knew this smear > would come. > Can any of you who have responded thus address the matter > with reason > and discernment? > > Glen > > On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Bob W wrote: > > > Awesome! Keep it coming! It's like being on a long flight with Mel > > Gibson. Could you not write your next emails in Aramaic for us? > > > > -- > > Bob > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of Glen Tortorella > >> Sent: 10 October 2007 22:41 > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) > >> > >> I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject has > > > >> arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to > >> patronize B&H. Likewise, I should not have to defend my > >> decision not > >> to patronize them. > >> > >> However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not > corroborate > > > >> your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in > >> isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose > Christ and > > > >> His Church has nothing to do with "making friends." Christ came to > > > >> reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for > >> those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing to > > > >> listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the > >> world, i.e. > >> to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is > >> precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction to > > > >> the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which spanned > >> three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), > >> contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. > >> > >> Further, His words and actions continually characterize His Divine > >> Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us > >> search there for Our Lord's edifying words: "Do not think that I am > > > >> come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, but > > > >> the sword" (Mt 10:34), "He who is not with me, is against > me: and he > > > >> that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30)," and > "Every plant > > > >> which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up" (Mt > >> 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even the > >> Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common > > man. > >> > >> Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly scattereth, > > > >> and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity > >> in their > >> doctrines or deeds. > >> > >> Glen > >> > >> On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: > >> > >>> I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not > >>> even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. > >>> > >>> " > >>> He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain > > > >>> on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matt. 5:45). > >>> > >>> To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of > >> making friends. > >>> > >>> Tom C. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: Glen Tortorella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > >>>> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) > >>>> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 > >>>> > >>>> I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made > >> note of the > >>>> subject, I will explain my position with regard to B&H. > >>>> > >>>> I am familiar with B&H's reputation for customer service. My > >>>> avoidance of B&H et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice > > stemming > >>>> from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based > >> businesses. My > >>>> avoidance of businesses such as B&H is founded strictly upon my > >>>> religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support > >> those whom > >>>> I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes > > Our > >>>> Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. > > The > >>>> Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His > > Blessed > >>>> Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid > >> supporting > >>>> those who honor the Talmud. > >>>> > >>>> I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or > >>>> activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, as > >>>> much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that > > fund > >>>> Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including > >>>> euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I > >> am opposed > >>>> to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, "as > >>>> much as possible" here so as to highlight the realities of any > >>>> boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research in > >>>> these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access to > >>>> information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. > >> Antoninus > >>>> Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. > > One > >>>> must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and > > immorality > >>>> have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson & Johnson > >> (a pro-abort > >>>> firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic > > products, > >>>> some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of > > which > >>>> one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson & > >>>> Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically > >>>> possible--what Orsini and others call a "virtual boycott"--and I > >>>> leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. > >>>> > >>>> Glen > >>>> > >>>> On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Glen Tortorella wrote: > >>>>>> Thank you, Adam... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? > >> I just > >>>> want > >>>>>> to make sure of this. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of > >>>> stock on > >>>>>> the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know > >> the R280 is > >>>>>> probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the > >> popular > >>>> New > >>>>>> York camera stores (B&H, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather > > not > >>>>>> purchase it from these stores. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> FWIW, B&H is wonderful to do business with. I've spent > >> more than I > >>>>> should have with them over the last few years and have received > >>>>> nothing > >>>>> but good service. Every order has been correct, > >> shipping has been > >>>>> within a day or two of placing the order, and the one > >> time I had a > >>>>> question for them they replied very promptly with the > >> information I > >>>>> requested. You really can't go wrong with B&H. I've > >> had the same > >>>>> sort > >>>>> of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo > >>>> related > >>>>> from the guys in New Yawk. B&H has the R280 in stock at the > > same > >>>>> price > >>>>> as Newegg. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Scott Loveless > >>>>> http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > >> directly above > >>>>> and follow the directions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > >> directly above > >>>> and follow the directions. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > > >>> and follow the directions. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> [email protected] > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > >> above and follow the directions. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > and follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > above and follow the directions. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
